![]() |
|
|
#1 |
|
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
Castration in Elizabethan England
Roderigo Lopez, personal physician to Queen Elizabeth the Great of England, was accused in 1594 of accepting a promise of 50,000 crowns from Philip II, King of Spain, to poison the Queen. At his trial, Lopez claimed that he intended to bilk Philip, taking the money without poisoning Elizabeth. His appeals were denied, and he was convicted. Lopez, along with two assistants, was sentenced to be publicly hung, taken down alive, castrated, and then torn limb from limb. Because the case involved a foreign conspiracy against England, popular rage and bloodlust reached a frenzy. When the Queen delayed the execution, weighing a possible commutation, there was rioting in the streets. Giving in to public demands, the Queen let the execution proceed. On June 7, 1594, the three men were taken from the Tower of London and the sentence carried out. An enormous crowd watched, laughing and jeering at the condemned. Scholars speculate that Shakespeare was in the crowd, and that the horror the laughing mob inspired in him may have influenced his composition of "The Merchant of Venice."
There is no record of what became of the three men's severed parts. I like to think that they went to the old Queen, who fondled the dried remains whenever any man threatened to take from her her dignity and power. As Groucho would have put it, Rest in Pieces. |
|
|
|
#2 | |
|
Did you really want to get cut?
Join Date: Sep Sun 2002
Posts: 1,263
|
Re: Castration in Elizabethan England
This was the common punishment for treason:
Quote:
__________________
There is nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so. Slammr http://www.thedarkspot.com |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#3 |
|
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
In 1776, the British did this to a Baptist man who refused to pay his tax to the Church of England. Great people, Christians and Brits.
![]() |
|
|
|
#4 |
|
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
Re: Castration in Elizabethan England
Oh, but what a charming custom! I can just see the vendors hawking beer, cotton candy for the children, and souvenir programs.
Joking aside, and on a much more serious subject, photos were often taken at lynchings of black men in the South. Some of these were actually turned into postcards! In the photos, you can see men, women, and children grinning and posing proudly with the - sometimes castrated - corpse. That crowds were willing to pose for these photos shows the sense of unchallengeable entitlement they felt. Last year, an art gallery in NYC did an exhibit of these photos. Remember that lynchings continued into the 1960s. We're not so different from the Elizabethans as we like to think. At least Lopez was actually convicted of treason, while the offenses of the black victims were often imaginery. |
|
|
|
#5 |
|
The Old Poop
Join Date: Jan Mon 2001
Posts: 6,148
|
Re: Castration in Elizabethan England
TWO Questions...
1. Where and from whom did the native American Indians learn to take scalps? 2. Where and from whom the the Arabs learn to behead people? hmmmm? A-1 ![]()
__________________
A-1 __________________ US TV Commentator: "One of the reasons Arnie [Arnold Palmer] is playing so well is that, before each tee-shot, his wife takes out his balls and kisses them... Oh my God, what have I just said?" |
|
|
|
|
|
#6 |
|
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
Re: Castration in Elizabethan England
Well, I don't suppose you'd be asking the questions if the answer weren't white Europeans. On the other hand, you're not suggesting that neither the Indians nor the Arabs killed or tortured people before Europeans suggested it, are you? So far as I know, killing and cruelty have been practiced by all people at all times. The particular technique makes little difference. I'd be curious to know how the Indians and the Arabs did it before adopting the European method, as they did in so many things.
|
|
|
|
#7 | |
|
Fully Qualified Member
Join Date: Jan Wed 2002
Posts: 174
|
Re: Castration in Elizabethan England
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#8 |
|
agent provocateur
Join Date: Feb Sat 2001
Posts: 2,329
|
Re: Castration in Elizabethan England
A scholarly article looking at castration in 17th century England can be found at The Castrator's Song: Female Impersonation on the Early Modern Stage. The article is one of the many pieces on the Nonfiction Board of the Archive.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#9 |
|
Guest
Posts: n/a
|
Re: Castration in Elizabethan England
Old Softee, dear friend, have you truly not one tear to shed for working men who are abducted and beheaded because you have such hatred for the President of the United States? When you say they work for "30 silver coins," do you truly mean to say that their jobs make them akin to Judas, who betrayed Your Lord and Savior Jesus, the Christ?
As Jesus said: Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Jesus had a lot more to say, but you get the point, which is: if you're going to judge and hate, don't hide behind Jesus. No political conflict justifies the abduction and death by torture of innocent working men, who place themselves at risk to earn high wages for their families. I understand that you are passionately opposed to the war. But if you're opposed because of the harm war does, then join hands with others to lessen the harm; don't let your opposition turn you warlike. Some might be mistaken or confused, so let's help, not hurt. Last edited by bobov; 09-30-2004 at 07:55 AM.. |
|
![]() |
| Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| Castration as punishment in History | Groot Voel | Non-Fiction Articles | 1 | 02-16-2010 10:30 PM |
| Effects of Castration, chapt. 1 | Jesus | Non-Fiction Articles | 3 | 03-16-2007 11:30 PM |
| Preface to Castration: Advantages and Disadvantages | Dok | General Health: Physical and Mental | 6 | 06-18-2006 08:19 PM |
| Castration in 17th Century England | Jesus | Non-Fiction Articles | 1 | 01-04-2003 04:12 AM |