Hormone Replacement Therapy - Testesterone vs Estrogen

[Danielle]

Hi -

Just two general comments. I do not think that any given doctor is required to treat any given malady. If they feel that they are not competitent in an area requested to be treated, they can simply say no to the potential patient and that is that. That has been my general experience.

I agree that there are folks out there who can treat me properly and I need to do more research. I have been lazy in that regard since I have received the basics that I originally sought.

As a matter of fact, someone here (and I thank that person for that information) has sent me two names of NJ doctors who are apparently willing to treat for GD/TS. I plan to find out geographically where they work and then contact them.


Danielle

[Senjougahara]

Originally Posted by Danielle

I do not think that any given doctor is required to treat any given malady. If they feel that they are not competitent in an area requested to be treated, they can simply say no to the potential patient and that is that. That has been my general experience.

I don't know much about the American health care system, but in Britain if your doctor doesn't have the expertise to treat your condition she will refer you to a specialist. For example when I became partially deaf as a child my doctor referred me to an ENT (ear nose and throat) specialist who did some tests and discovered that my nose wasn't draining correctly. This was cutting off the airflow to my eustachian tubes which resulted in the air pressure behind my eardrum being lower than the outside pressure. He taught me how to inflate my ears manually.

Oh good lord that's far too much irrelevant information, what is wrong with me today?

Originally Posted by dev

Testosterone which tecnichally is an estrogen -that is a masculinizing estrogen as opposed to a feminine estrogen or a neutral estrogen, is a little bit harder to obtain.

There's such a thing as a neutral estrogen? Where can I get me some of that?

[dev]

Probably the best place to start getting educated about estrogens is by starting with the "phytoestrogens" (which are plant estrogens). There are three types of female estrogens which a few plants do have. However most of the estrogens that these plants have are neutral and may or may not correspond with some of the neutral estrogenic compounds that the body has naturally. There is a ton of chemical analysis being done right now on exactly which estrogenic chemical compound is going to where in the body (the bones, the heart, the brain, etc.) The body does seem to be able to convert any type of estrogen-like compound and convert it into another type. I really wish I could easily read all of these scientific papers but I can't. In a matter of a few years our school kids in science class will be correcting us on our old-fashioned notions about estrogens in this day. Actually it turns out your Grandma was right. Eat all your oatmeal and for lunch eat all your greens. The US soybean growers have really picked up on this and are promoting their product as the phytoestrogens that your body needs. However most of the soybeans grown in the US is tainted. They actually make me sick. But there are plenty of other sources of phytoestrogens. There is also a lot of hype and false information about phytoestrogens too among the "natural" crowd too. When it was discovered that my body and testicles had quit before I had competely matured (and I could not get hormone treatment: long story) I was warned that I should eat a lot of greens all the days of my life for my bones.

www.dietaryfiberfood.com/phytoestrogen.php

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5405140_fo...estrogens.html

http://www.menopausetheblog.com/.../...hytoestrogens/

[Danielle]

Hi Dev -

I think that the best source of Estrogogenic compounds is Estrogen. I am on Premarin for roughly 10 years now via an endochronologist and it definitely works. My body shape is a testament to that - - - major changes.

Prior to my involvement with Premarin, I played with phyto-estrogens. They did not work for me. But, Premarin/Conjucated Estrogens did the trick.

Danielle

ps - if you want to see pics, let me know and it can be arranged.

[dev]

Taking vitamin K supplements are not a bad idea either. Plus along with calcium tablets I take the type of multi-vitamins that have greens (from the health food store). I generally buy things on sale. But I'm not sure that's always a good idea though. As soon as I use up my all of my phyto-estrogen pills I will be including "the pill" into my diet also, except quartered as I had described earlier. Also as far as the multi-vitamins are concerned probably the cheap generic stuff you get at the grocery store is just as good as the more expensive stuff that you get at the health store anyway. The problem with women's multi-vitamins is that they include iron which we should not have much of. And the problem with men's multi-vitamins is they have too much zinc and not enough calcium. So children's or else straight multi-vitamins would be better along with calcium, K, and premarin or whatever would be a better choice. One should be making sure that they get all of their nutrients from eating right rather than by taking pills in the first place BUT that's much easier said than done. Oh well.

[Danielle]

Hi dev,

Good advice. I take a general purpose daily multi-vitaman along with a Calcium pill, and potassium (K) along with my daily dose of 1.25 mG Premarin. I may need to adjust those regimines as my T levels fall, but not sure.

Danielle