Win 7, bloody expensive for a 'vista service pack' !!

Silver21662 · 10-28-2009, 03:08 AM

Questions,
1 - what is the installed size of win 7, without the pagefile of course,

2 - exactly how much Ram does it use on its own, without added display drivers etc?

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im still running on good old xp pro sp3, with updates till today etc. using nlite, i can shrink the nuts out of xp. down to 300mb installed size, without pagefile etc. ram usage, inc my ati drivers, is around 100mb. using services batch files, i can turn off un needed services with a click and reboot, the same to turn em back on. shrunk to fuck, xp boots in seconds, with a seagate st380815as, 80gb, 1 platter 1 head running on either ahci or ide drivers. my advice, save money, run whatever flavour of linux you want to get online, then a shrunk to whatnot xp partition for all your offline needs. and i will still be using xp till the mobo makers stop issuing xp drivers. lets face it, most will use win7 only as a o/s / host, then use whatever programs to do whatever they want too, so why eat up 1gb plus of ram, in a 32bit system, and several gb's worth of h/d space, just for windows to run? if 1 gb plus of rams being used already, if you run a memory intensive program/s, it dont give you much left does it?
lastly, intel maybe king of the hill when it comes to cpu speed, but when the buggers use similar bad boy trading tactics as mic----ft, please, buy amd, they are cheaper, just as good for most of us, cos if amd go under, intel will be able to do wtf it wants, when it wants, at how much it wants !!
Support AMD

ibnmichael · 10-28-2009, 04:02 AM

Seems to idle at roughly 30% of whatever memory you have available. It allegedly uses about 300MB in the state you describe...ie....at idle with nothing much installed or going on.

Personally, I wouldnt pay a dime for it, but some people need it for work.

Silver21662 · 10-28-2009, 04:06 AM

and if you know the right place to look for xp sp3, why bother eh?

Silver21662 · 10-28-2009, 04:15 AM

mind you, if its needed for work, as a work tool, then at least you are earning money with it, and claim it back on your tax as an expense

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibnmichael

Seems to idle at roughly 30% of whatever memory you have available. It allegedly uses about 300MB in the state you describe...ie....at idle with nothing much installed or going on.

Personally, I wouldnt pay a dime for it, but some people need it for work.

ibnmichael · 10-28-2009, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver21662

and if you know the right place to look for xp sp3, why bother eh?

True, but only if you really, absolutely need Windows. Otherwise, if you have money to spend, Mac is far superior. If you dont have the money, or want be free of license hassles altogether, and have some technical ability (notice how there are so many conditions?) Linux or BSD are the way to go.

Elizabeth · 10-28-2009, 04:26 AM

I have been running Win7 for about six months now and I am quite pleased with it. It is pretty much what Vista was supposed to be. It boots up fast, but it's really not an issue because one rarely has to reboot. I have two gigs of memory and a pretty good video card, so no need to really slim it down, although I turn off everything that lets my computer connect to anyone automatically. No automatic updates of any programs.

The beta had a few glitches, but they seem to be resolved. I really like the wallpaper flipper, I used to have a program that did that, but it would not run in Vista. I also have a 40 gig hd that I use to boot Ubuntu, which I like for normal everyday things. I was using it exclusively for a while, but I am not that great at the console, so it can be a hassle. I also was running XP in Wine for a while, but after Win7, there is really no need.

Elizabeth

Silver21662 · 10-28-2009, 04:39 AM

ive been trying out various flavours of linux over the years, even ubuntu in whatever the latest release was, but, having the windows xp ive got

, moving from 1 machine to another has been easy, and i can do and fix any windows xp problem i may get with ease. when all is said and done, xp is great, not perfect, but i dont think win7 will last as long as xp has.

Leigh xx
(ps, feel free to drop by and say hi anytime)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

I have been running Win7 for about six months now and I am quite pleased with it. It is pretty much what Vista was supposed to be. It boots up fast, but it's really not an issue because one rarely has to reboot. I have two gigs of memory and a pretty good video card, so no need to really slim it down, although I turn off everything that lets my computer connect to anyone automatically. No automatic updates of any programs.

The beta had a few glitches, but they seem to be resolved. I really like the wallpaper flipper, I used to have a program that did that, but it would not run in Vista. I also have a 40 gig hd that I use to boot Ubuntu, which I like for normal everyday things. I was using it exclusively for a while, but I am not that great at the console, so it can be a hassle. I also was running XP in Wine for a while, but after Win7, there is really no need.

Elizabeth

Riverwind · 10-28-2009, 09:33 AM

I used 2000 pro for years until I got this pc I am using now which wanted at least windowsXP, I hated it, I now have windows7 and love it, as Elizabeth said its solid. I also run XP on my second PC and Debian on the server.

On the main box I have 8 gig of memory and I am running a 64bit OS it boots real fast and performance has never been an issue. This is the best OS that microshaft has put out sense 2000.

As for Apple, they are wonderful machines, if you understand that you can never upgrade it, you get what you get, it has great graphics, does not number crunch very well, its the tool of choice for web design or so I have been told, it has its place. it just doesn't have a place at my place.

River

Quillman · 10-28-2009, 05:10 PM

We have just had the Windows 7 in the UK, and I was keen to get rid of the problems to my accountancy software that Visa had introduced. Of course I should have known that bloody windows would let me down, sure enough I was not wrong! Let me be honest Windows has NEVER been right, at least however XP was the least bother of most.

So W7 did not perform with the software as promised, but even worse my internet connection will no longer function as the CD install disk cannot recognise the new format, indeed it thinks it is a 64 bit Vista, sadly Thomson are not doing an update. Fotunately my laptop still has Vista and the internet connection so I can still get into the Archive.

I do wish I was clever enough to have the better alternatives to Microshaft whom I would not trust as far as I could throw them. My advice is forget it if you have XP stick with it and avoid sick updates.

Cheers

Quillman UK

coinflipper_21 · 10-28-2009, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silver21662

mind you, if its needed for work, as a work tool, then at least you are earning money with it, and claim it back on your tax as an expense

I develop software. Always on Linux (SuSE) and installed on Linux servers added to networks of PCs and MACs. I have a PC in my office only so that I can see what the software looks like on the client's workstations. Most new packages have browser based user interfaces. If the programmers resist using Microsoft's "extensions" to the web development languages (Created by Microsoft for the sole purpose of ensuring that the applications will run correctly only under Internet Explorer.) then the choice of operating system and browser remains practically irrelevant. I haven't even used Windows for word processing for nearly twenty years.

Windows 7 has some advantages. It is optimized for the newer video cards so that games and porn sites will look much better than on Linux. It's easy to hire employees to use it because its' Windows and everyone thinks that they know how to use it.

Other than that, it sucks up even more RAM, and CPU cycles (Microsoft's sop to Intel to "encourage" hardware sales.) It seems to be still not very polite on a network. (Linux is truly multi-user. A lot of so called multi-user apps on Windows still are not.) They have re-thought the user interface again just when people got used to where things were on Vista. (Not everyone wants to buy a touch screen to take maximum advantage of it.) And, based on long experience with Microsoft releases, we don't know what bugs will turn up in the next few months. I think the title of the thread is a little off. It's more than just a "Vista Service Pack", but that's the way it will be seen by most people who buy it after the enthusiastic Windows power users.

stewie69 · 10-29-2009, 05:31 PM

My old desktop came equipped with XP. I hardly use it anymore, since my experience with XP has been less than pleasant. It has gone into crash-and-burn mode more often than I can count, and has trashed many files I was too foolish to backup. And, the number of days of my life I've pissed away re-installing XP...

So, I bought a notebook with Vista shortly after it came out. I may be on a short list here, but I've actually been very pleased with it, and it has never let me down. Currently, I have no desire to "upgrade" to 7, or jump ship to Mac.

Paolo · 10-30-2009, 04:00 AM

I have 2 computers and 1 Noritsu photo lab machine still plugging away with Windows 2000 SP4, (SP3 on Noritsu) and both of them with at least 1 XP Pro driver rammed down their throats. Yes, they choke on it now and then, but a good kick cures that.

Seeing as how the Noritsu cost $250k new, though, I don't expect many here to have one. If you do, can I have your green AOM laser unit?

mrt · 11-08-2009, 07:30 AM

Windows never did multitasking very well or "correct." Each new version is a giant scam if you ask me. Slower and more hoggish of memory so old hardware has to be pitched. That and selling a new version of all its "office" junk.

Frankly I switched to a speedy Linux distro and could NOT be happier to NOT being wasting days installing this crap and trying to get it to work.

Windows 7 *Just say NO!
Windows 7 *Friends don't let friends buy (or use)

ETC

YourPhriendlyAuthor · 11-08-2009, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrt

Frankly I switched to a speedy Linux distro and could NOT be happier to NOT being wasting days installing this crap and trying to get it to work.

Mrt,
What distro are you using? I've got ubuntu 9.04 on a couple of PCs, and I love it! :-)

-YPA

micropenis · 11-08-2009, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverwind

This is the best OS that microshaft has put out sense 2000. River

MICROSHAFT? Are you talking about me again? And bye the way, I really put out too.

10-28-2009, 03:08 AM	#1
Silver21662 non comformist to societys rules Join Date: Oct Mon 2009 Posts: 1	Win 7, bloody expensive for a 'vista service pack' !! Questions, 1 - what is the installed size of win 7, without the pagefile of course, 2 - exactly how much Ram does it use on its own, without added display drivers etc? xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx im still running on good old xp pro sp3, with updates till today etc. using nlite, i can shrink the nuts out of xp. down to 300mb installed size, without pagefile etc. ram usage, inc my ati drivers, is around 100mb. using services batch files, i can turn off un needed services with a click and reboot, the same to turn em back on. shrunk to fuck, xp boots in seconds, with a seagate st380815as, 80gb, 1 platter 1 head running on either ahci or ide drivers. my advice, save money, run whatever flavour of linux you want to get online, then a shrunk to whatnot xp partition for all your offline needs. and i will still be using xp till the mobo makers stop issuing xp drivers. lets face it, most will use win7 only as a o/s / host, then use whatever programs to do whatever they want too, so why eat up 1gb plus of ram, in a 32bit system, and several gb's worth of h/d space, just for windows to run? if 1 gb plus of rams being used already, if you run a memory intensive program/s, it dont give you much left does it? lastly, intel maybe king of the hill when it comes to cpu speed, but when the buggers use similar bad boy trading tactics as mic----ft, please, buy amd, they are cheaper, just as good for most of us, cos if amd go under, intel will be able to do wtf it wants, when it wants, at how much it wants !! Support AMD

10-28-2009, 04:02 AM	#2
ibnmichael Newly Active Member Join Date: Jan Wed 2007 Posts: 15	Re: Win 7, bloody expensive for a 'vista service pack' !! Seems to idle at roughly 30% of whatever memory you have available. It allegedly uses about 300MB in the state you describe...ie....at idle with nothing much installed or going on. Personally, I wouldnt pay a dime for it, but some people need it for work.

10-28-2009, 04:06 AM	#3
Silver21662 non comformist to societys rules Join Date: Oct Mon 2009 Posts: 1	Re: Win 7, bloody expensive for a 'vista service pack' !! and if you know the right place to look for xp sp3, why bother eh?

10-28-2009, 04:26 AM	#6
Elizabeth Active Member Join Date: Dec Mon 2008 Posts: 47	Re: Win 7, bloody expensive for a 'vista service pack' !! I have been running Win7 for about six months now and I am quite pleased with it. It is pretty much what Vista was supposed to be. It boots up fast, but it's really not an issue because one rarely has to reboot. I have two gigs of memory and a pretty good video card, so no need to really slim it down, although I turn off everything that lets my computer connect to anyone automatically. No automatic updates of any programs. The beta had a few glitches, but they seem to be resolved. I really like the wallpaper flipper, I used to have a program that did that, but it would not run in Vista. I also have a 40 gig hd that I use to boot Ubuntu, which I like for normal everyday things. I was using it exclusively for a while, but I am not that great at the console, so it can be a hassle. I also was running XP in Wine for a while, but after Win7, there is really no need. Elizabeth __________________ The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched - they must be felt with the heart - Helen Keller

10-28-2009, 09:33 AM	#8
Riverwind ButterMaker Join Date: Mar Sat 2001 Posts: 4,223	Re: Win 7, bloody expensive for a 'vista service pack' !! I used 2000 pro for years until I got this pc I am using now which wanted at least windowsXP, I hated it, I now have windows7 and love it, as Elizabeth said its solid. I also run XP on my second PC and Debian on the server. On the main box I have 8 gig of memory and I am running a 64bit OS it boots real fast and performance has never been an issue. This is the best OS that microshaft has put out sense 2000. As for Apple, they are wonderful machines, if you understand that you can never upgrade it, you get what you get, it has great graphics, does not number crunch very well, its the tool of choice for web design or so I have been told, it has its place. it just doesn't have a place at my place. River __________________ "I can't believe it's not whipped cream!" ITS BUTTER!

10-28-2009, 05:10 PM	#9
Quillman Fully Qualified Member Join Date: Nov Thu 1999 Posts: 157	Re: Win 7, bloody expensive for a 'vista service pack' !! We have just had the Windows 7 in the UK, and I was keen to get rid of the problems to my accountancy software that Visa had introduced. Of course I should have known that bloody windows would let me down, sure enough I was not wrong! Let me be honest Windows has NEVER been right, at least however XP was the least bother of most. So W7 did not perform with the software as promised, but even worse my internet connection will no longer function as the CD install disk cannot recognise the new format, indeed it thinks it is a 64 bit Vista, sadly Thomson are not doing an update. Fotunately my laptop still has Vista and the internet connection so I can still get into the Archive. I do wish I was clever enough to have the better alternatives to Microshaft whom I would not trust as far as I could throw them. My advice is forget it if you have XP stick with it and avoid sick updates. Cheers Quillman UK __________________ Quillman

10-29-2009, 05:31 PM	#11
stewie69 maybe someday... Join Date: May Wed 2007 Posts: 218	Re: Win 7, bloody expensive for a 'vista service pack' !! My old desktop came equipped with XP. I hardly use it anymore, since my experience with XP has been less than pleasant. It has gone into crash-and-burn mode more often than I can count, and has trashed many files I was too foolish to backup. And, the number of days of my life I've pissed away re-installing XP... So, I bought a notebook with Vista shortly after it came out. I may be on a short list here, but I've actually been very pleased with it, and it has never let me down. Currently, I have no desire to "upgrade" to 7, or jump ship to Mac.

10-30-2009, 04:00 AM	#12
Paolo Dark Altar Boy of the Sith Join Date: Nov Fri 1999 Posts: 4,776	Re: Win 7, bloody expensive for a 'vista service pack' !! I have 2 computers and 1 Noritsu photo lab machine still plugging away with Windows 2000 SP4, (SP3 on Noritsu) and both of them with at least 1 XP Pro driver rammed down their throats. Yes, they choke on it now and then, but a good kick cures that. Seeing as how the Noritsu cost $250k new, though, I don't expect many here to have one. If you do, can I have your green AOM laser unit? __________________ Eat more whipped cream...errrmmm...Butter!

11-08-2009, 07:30 AM	#13
mrt Mr "Testosterone" Join Date: May Mon 2005 Posts: 1,537	Re: Win 7, bloody expensive for a 'vista service pack' !! Windows never did multitasking very well or "correct." Each new version is a giant scam if you ask me. Slower and more hoggish of memory so old hardware has to be pitched. That and selling a new version of all its "office" junk. Frankly I switched to a speedy Linux distro and could NOT be happier to NOT being wasting days installing this crap and trying to get it to work. Windows 7 Just say NO! Windows 7 Friends don't let friends buy (or use) ETC __________________ Science is what we understand well enough to explain to a computer. Art is everything else we do. Donald Knuth

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