What The Fuck????????

[Erik]

What is going on people?

This is a castration and penectomy board. Why is it changing into a female circumcision board?

The only 2 stories posted today were female circ stories.

If you do a basic search you will find more circ boards than you could vist in a month. Please go to them for circ'ing.

This is a EUNUCH board, please let us not make it a circ board.

[Paolo]

I'm up in the air on this one.
I have received both pro and con comments on this trend.
Please take a moment to vote and/or reply.
Thanks.

[Charlieje]

I have to admit I was somewhat taken aback when I began to read the first story posted today. It is certainly not my cup of tea, but then I am only one...

[PB]

Why on earth should the Eunuch Archive, of all the wonderful places on the web, suddenly stoop to sexual discrimination? Must cutting stories be restricted to the cutting of only one half of the population? What an absurd and unfair suggestion!

I'm very surprised that you should make it, Erik.

Now, if the Archive was just about taking balls and only about taking balls, sure, then it would be sensible to restrict stories to castration only - not forgetting removal of the ovaries, of course.

But the Archive is most certainly not so narrow and restricted in its focus: penectomy is as much the central focus of this place as ball-cutting, and rightly so. And penectomy of the female is every bit as much on topic as penectomy of the male. Indeed, it has been the single great weakness of the Archive over the years that it has never had more than a very few female stories.

Circumcision of either gender qualifies as a "related topic" because it is a sort of mini-penectomy. It is not quite on-topic, but not off-topic either: rather, circumcision (male or female) falls into that grey area in-between - and this place has a tradition going back many years now of tolerance, broadmindedness, and understanding of others.

To those who submitted the female-cutting stories, well written, and may there be many more of them!

Indeed, may there be many more great stories of all types, so that all us EA members, gay, straight, or bi, male, female, or indeterminate - so that ll of us may find our own particular fantasies brought to life in print one day and - who knows - so that we may read something that is not to our taste and suddenly discover that there is another, undiscovered side to our nature.

[Paolo]

This is just exactly the kind of feedback I want to hear.

While stories of this nature don't do much for ME personally, I am sure that there are others out there who enjoy it. That's why I want to hear both the pro AND con views and to get some results in the poll.

Thanks again.

[noblee]

Really, there should be 2 websites--one staying the Eunuch Archive for Eunuch-affairs and another dealing with female circumcision. I cannot imagine that there are many people (if any) who enjoy reading both types of story, so it should be seperated for simple practical reasons. This would further enable the circ site to customize itself in a fashion more befitting its guests--the castration pic on the front page is incongruent with circs. That does not mean that there should be animocity between the sites, just that they have different interested persons. Maybe BME would consider hosting the circ site...

[Erik]

I do not think Circumsition of a male or female is even a mini penectomy.
There are thousands of Circ sights, and that is were one should go to read/post stores on the subject.
A female castration story is fine. Even thought it did nothing sexually for me, I still enjoyed reading Brions last day, were she became a female eunuch.
If a authour added a circ of any sex into a story that has castration and/or penectomy in it, that is fine, but just a circ story as the only subject of the story should be placed on a circ board.

[kb57z]

Originally posted by Erik
I do not think Circumsition of a male or female is even a mini penectomy.

Perhaps it ought to be said that "female circumcision" is a euphemism for a much more drastic procedure than the removal of the relatively trival piece of skin that is the male foreskin. What is usually meant by the term is the removal of the labia and (usually) the clitoris, presumably with the intention of making sex less pleasurable. Since the clitoris is often regarded as the analogue of the penis, surely its removal is the counterpart of a penectomy.

In the case of the story "Gail's Ritual", while Gail's clitoris is spared, she does perceive a threat to it, and the sealing up of her vagina constitutes another form of castration (and one that doesn't have a direct male equivalent.)

Might I suggest that two female circumcision stories don't make a summer, and that unless and until it gets to be a problem for the proper operation of the Archive itself, people who don't like the stories should just skip them

[teez]

Erik is right !

I don't know how this thread was mistaken for male vs female. It has nothing to do with it. I ended up at nearly the end of the stories mentioned before I realized they were off-topic. There have been sexual stories removed or "warned of content type" in the past. This is no different.

A separate section for stricly circ would be fine if interest is sparked, or the archive is to be expanded. But don't stray from the point of this thread - I don't think they should be mixed in with castration. It will become way to hard to tell what is what in a short amount of time.

Maybe make a new poll thread:
Should there be a circ section installed at the archive?
I am afraid your current poll thread may be gender biased or misunderstood as well. Just a thought....

[A-1]

I don't understand what the problem is here. I'll admit that I wrote one of the first series regarding female nullification, "Last Night for Briony", and at the time nobody complained.

I mean what is it here, folks. Is a Eunuch a human with their capacity for sex removed or is a Eunuch strictly a male who has been castrated?

I claim that the gender line is too ambiguous to begin with to concern oneself with the problem of what sex someone was to begin with.

So if a lady who is a lesbian has a fantasy about controlling a lover through removing that lover's capacity for hetersexual sex then what is the deal?

If a man who is gay desires to control a bisexual or even a gay lover to keep them faithful through the removal of that lovers genitalia thus rendering that lover useless for anything but anal receptive sex then I ask what is the difference?

Please, this place is built on tolerance. I had concerns that I shared with Paolo when I saw this thing starting that I shared with him. My concerns are proving to be groundless.

If the female coming here want to join in the cutting fantasy for whatever reason then what harm can be involved. Read "Last Night for Briony" again and especially the last part.

Isn't the goal of nullification the removal of the aspect of sex for the betterment of those involved? Isn't it because sex should be rejected as the basis for a productive relationship?

If all we have relationships with other humans for is sex then we are in sorry shape. Rejection of sex is what this is all about, right? What makes the difference if one is male, female, str8 or gay, then? If the sex is gone, then it is gone. What makes the difference if one is male, female, transgendered or ambiguously gendered?

One is just a reflection of the other.

I say if the girls want to cut or want to be cut then let them have their fantasies. If they want to participate for real then at least let's be free with our information so that they don't end up dead. After all, the whole point of this place is the elimination of sex. Why should it be gender restrictive when the point is becoming genderless?



A-1

[PB]

The basic issue is very clear: if I may borrow some words from A1, a Eunuch is a human with some or all of his or her capacity for sex removed.

Where are all those circumcision boards, Erik? I like circumcision stories too (well, some of them, anyway) and I've searched many times without much success. Post some links for me please! If there are female cutting stories there too, so much the better!

(Disclosure of personal bias: I love penectomy stories best of all, male and female penectomy both almost equally. The lesser forms of eunuchism, which leave more capacity for sexual pleasure - ball-cutting of the male, various forms of other male and female mutilations including but not limited to circumcision - are good story material too, but (for me) can lack dramatic impact.)

The most recent two stories - good Lord! A mere two stories have produced all this fuss?! - they were, if you like, "teasers" - they promised a much bigger result than they delivered. In the first story, the final cutting was rather milder than expected, leaving the girl without quite a lot but still in possession of her clitoris. For me, that was an anti-climax. But that's the thing about stories - if they always deliver exactly what you want, then they are boring and predictable and not worth reading. The key to successful story writing is that it should sometimes deliver exactly what you want. Then the impact is all the greater.

Of course, what you want and what I want and what the next person wants in a story are three different things - or quite possibly five different things.

Where do you draw the line between a eunuch story and a circumcision story? It's very difficult. In fact, the best way to draw that line is to follow long standing Eunuch Archive practice and simply not draw it. Censorship here, of all places, would be a terrible thing.

But in bringing this matter up, Erik has done us all a service. He has made it obvious theat the EA story classification system needs revision. Right now we have:

(S)
(G) and
(Bi) classifications. Now it's impossible and probably undesirable to add a wealth of new classifications - apart from anything else it becomes too difficult to decide which exact slot a story fits into - but we clearly would all benefit from having:

(S)
(G)
(Bi) and
(F) for female-cutting stories.

Personally, I would hope that most of the (F) classified stories were to do with female penectomy, not mere circumcision or any other boring minor cut, but that is not for me or for anyone else to decide upon. That has always been, and should rightly remain, a matter for the author's own creative judgement.

[Erik]

A female becoming a Eunuch in a story is not in question. What's in question is this seems to be turning into a circ board.

Here is a very good link for a few really good stories.

http://www.icon.co.za/~hugot/circum/circum.htm

[PB]

Thanks Erik! Neat link.

Oh - I nearly forgot. A nice new story you posted yesterday.

[A-1]

is not a big deal.

I think what bothers the guys here the most is that they do not want anyone telling stories about women getting cut.

One of the first stories that I remember reading on the Archive long before there was a message board was...

http://www.eunuch.org/Alpha/T/newtommy.htm

This story has been here since there were less than 40 stories on the archive. So, you see, circumcision has always been here. What is new is the fact that very seldom were female nullification/circumcision stories posted.

I wish to emphasize that this is neither new nor is it a threat. Most female nullification / circumcision are labeled as such. Even the two that sparked this controversy.

In all fairness I would like to say that the stories posted here depict males who are getting their genitalia cut off who do not deserve it either.

If you are offended by females having it cut off but not offended by males having it cut off then perhaps we need a post to examine why it is that these feelings like this exist.

I contend that restricting the archive in the manner being suggested is censorship.

A-1

[Erik]

PB,
You are welcome for the link.
When will more of TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY be posted? I am still sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the ending.

The Tommy's exam story is a classic and very good story. The author never wrote more which is very sad, because the author is a great story teller and at the end left a major hint that there would be a castration coming up in the next installment. If the Author reads this, I request he writes part 2.