Re: The Less Improved, Not As Nice November 2012 Election Thread
I just figured out how, if it is true, Mitt Romney never paid income taxes.
He (could be) is a high Minister of the Mormon Church and as such is immune because
they make it "all Church related" in the Great Mormon Family.
They just don't want to drag the Church into it.
Moi
Maybe this should have gone in the Epiphany thread
YEAH?Originally Posted by moi621
I just figured out how, if it is true, Mitt Romney never paid income taxes.
He (could be) is a high Minister of the Mormon Church and as such is immune because
they make it "all Church related" in the Great Mormon Family.
They just don't want to drag the Church into it.
Moi
Maybe this should have gone in the Epiphany thread
You should know that it FITS much better in "The Immorality of Mitt Romney" thread, too.
By the way, the Mormon Church HAS no Ministers...
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I just figured out how, if it is true, Mitt Romney never paid income taxes.
He (could be) is a high Minister of the Mormon Church and as such is immune because
they make it "all Church related" in the Great Mormon Family.
They just don't want to drag the Church into it.
Moi
Maybe this should have gone in the Epiphany thread
You really don't know anything about the Mormon Church do you?
All the paid positions in the church and there are not many only go to Mormons born and raised in Salt Lake City at least its been that way so far. Mitt would never be in one of those positions because he is not part of that Utah click.
NO this does not belong in the epiphany thread, that is for good ideas not pie in the sky ideas with little fact and a lot of wish.
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Somehow, it seems to me that it may be more useful to have knowledge and understanding of, and familiarity with, "Mormon churches" than with "the Mormon Church," perhaps because there just may not actually be any such thing as "the Mormon Church."
There is the group of Mormons who are affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, whose headquarters are, so I have observed, found on Temple Square, in Salt Lake City, Utah. Were they the only Mormon group, the notion of "the Mormon Church" might make ntelligible sense to me.
However, the Community of Christ (prior to circa 2001, known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) whose headquarters are in Independence, Missouri. If I recall correctly, the Community of Christ, under its earlier name, was awarded ownership of the first Mormon Temple, the Kirtland Temple, in Kirtland, Ohio, the court having decided that the Reorganized Church... was, in the legal sense, the original church and the rightful owner of the Kirtland Temple.
"The Mormon Church"? Which one, the apparently original, now named the Community of Christ, or what the court, I surmise, decided was legally a form of offshoot of the original, namely, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, with Salt Lake City, Utah headquarters? It is my view that the two have had noteworthy doctrinal differences.
I intend to give rise to no disputation here; sometimes one aspect of a religious tradition dominates another aspect in terms of how the tradition is understood by those of differing aspects as well as how the tradition and its divided/diversity aspects are understood by those not closely affiliated with the tradition(s).
The last time I was in Navoo, Illinois, both the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Salt Lake City headquarters) and the Community of Christ (Independence headquarters) had visitor centers in Navoo. That was before the Navoo Temple was rebuilt.
Re: The Less Improved, Not As Nice November 2012 Election Thread
Simple Truth:
Gasoline prices going up, up, up is NOT good for the Obama re-election.
Moi
I done typed real slow too.
Bush WAS the oil man. Big money = Big oil
...you are DONE, all right... moi
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The Reorganized LDS church IS a much different church than the one that Mitt Romney and Harry Reid belong to that is headquartered in Salt Lake City, UT.
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A) No one knows how long that refinery will need for repairs.
B) people are not stupid, they know Obama did not cause the fire.
C) Prices may not go "up, up, up" maybe just one "up"
D) do you believe in Chicken Little because that's who you are acting like -- the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
“They also call it the Winged Isle. Some say it is because the island, if seen from above, would look like butterfly wings. And I do not know the truth of it.” Then, “ ‘And what is truth?’ said jesting Pilate.” From: The Truth Is A Cave In The Black Mountains by Neil Gaiman.
Re: The Less Improved, Not As Nice November 2012 Election Thread
It does NOT have to be logical.
People feel more financially strapped.
Price of gasoline may not be that big a part of a budget, just obvious. The numbers in your face.
Emotional wires get crossed with, are you better off then you were 4 years ago
and, . . .
and, . . .
and it would be better if Obama could have continued to roll back gasoline prices
until the second week of November.
Moi
Then rephrase the question. Will you be better off if Willard repeals health care reform and "frees" the insurance companies to exclude your preexisting conditions and discontinue coverage for your dependent adult children? Will you be better off if Willard's tasteless, empty-headed, irritating hot air comes out of a presidential mouth and loses America international support and restores the level of contempt that George W. Bush enjoyed among the advanced nations?
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Yes, indeed. It is so different that it is properly known as the "Community of Christ," and not as the "Reorganized..."
All the members of the Community of Christ that I have known have, to the best of my understanding, self-identified as Mormons.
And so, I find the notion of "the Mormon Church" to be bereft of useful meaning.
I find no decent way to understand people except if the identity of an individual person belongs to, and only to, the individual person.
Because I find no decent or truthful way whereby I can define another person, I am unwilling to fling pejorative labels at people, no matter to what extent I find their beliefs (or theories espoused and theories in use) to be abusive and/or destructive.
Two big differences between the LDS in Salt Lake City and the other group.
1. plural marriages, the second group still believes in this and does a work around.
2. The second group felt when J. Smith died the head of the church should go to his son, right of secession.
The second was the break right after J. Smith was killed. The first came much later when that group in SLC wanted to become a state.
Today the LDS church the one in SLC Utah has a membership of over 14 million world wide.
Today the RLDS church the one not in Utah has a membership of about 7000.
This second group is a non factor only to be mentioned in passing, don't confuse the two.
River
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.
Edmund Burke
Truth is "NEVER" pejorative.
It is also in the eye of the beholder.
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Re: The Less Improved, Not As Nice November 2012 Election Thread
So now it can be a lie, it does not have to be the truth... For instance, Like Obama controls the price of gasoline...
The only requirement is that it must be legal and to HELL with moral. Pass more immoral laws with immoral legislators and leaders.
Now you throw logic out also.
Not much left that makes any sense at all, moi.
Go back to bed. YOU are having a bad day...
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You sound like a weepy little child crying your eyes out over a broken toy.
“They also call it the Winged Isle. Some say it is because the island, if seen from above, would look like butterfly wings. And I do not know the truth of it.” Then, “ ‘And what is truth?’ said jesting Pilate.” From: The Truth Is A Cave In The Black Mountains by Neil Gaiman.
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I have begun to wonder whether I may have invested more time and effort into studying and evaluating the work of such folks as Fritz Heider and Lee Ross regarding "the fundamental attribution error" than your life circumstances have allowed you to accomplish. Heider published his findings in 1958, Ross in 1977. More recently, as I observe, some social psychologists (including and not limited to Susan T. Fiske, Daniel T. Gilbert, and Edward E. Jones) have begun to favor the term, "correspondence bias" over the term, "fundamental attribution error," though I note that the "correspondence bias" is biased toward dispositional attribution and biased against situational attribution far more than the earlier work of Heider and Ross was.
To the extent that pejorative labeling is an exercise of the fundamental attribution error or is an exercise of correspondence bias, such labeling is always of falsehood, so I have invariably and consistently observed.
Hissy-fits are not well known for their objectivity among the academic-based rigorously-scientifically-oriented researchers whose work I find is of seriously testable and demonstrable scientific rigor.
Is falsehood ever seen clearly and accurately other than in the totally imaginary blindsight of its beholders?
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