It was not a good week

[Riverwind]

Not a good week for JP Morgan that 2 billion dollar loss turns out to be over 5 billion, opps.

Not a good week for the US Olympic Team, uniforms made in China, both Republicans and Democrats are pissed. Opps

Not a good week for Romney, he says he retired from Bain Capital in 1999 however it shows him still the chairman of the board and CEO through 2001, and all those jobs went to China, to make Olympic Uniform I think. Oh damn I hate it when facts get in the way.



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[Riverwind]

Mitt Romney disputed reports that he worked for Bain Capital longer than he had publicly suggested, insisting Friday he had no role "whatsoever" in managing the company after February 1999 when he left to run the Winter Olympics. Public filings from the company suggest otherwise.
In consecutive interviews with all five television news networks, Romney accused President Barack Obama and his campaign of attacking him on his record at Bain Capital in order to "deflect attention" from Obama's "failed" economic record. And he called on Obama to apologize for the false attacks.
"There is absolutely no evidence that I had any role whatsoever in the management of Bain Capital after February 1999," Romney told ABC News' Jon Karl. "Why the president continues and his people continue to make these kinds of charges and try to turn this into something big is clear, I think, to the American people because the president's failed to do the job he was elected to do which was to get this economy turned around."
Asked by Karl about an Obama campaign aide's assertion that he may have committed a "felony" by leaving his name on Securities and Exchange Commission documents if he didn't work at Bain, Romney called the charge "ridiculous and disturbing" and "beneath the dignity of the president and his campaign."
"The president needs to take control of his people," Romney said, calling the attacks "false and misleading."
On Thursday, the Boston Globe reported that Romney's name remained on several documents Bain had filed with the SEC, including a 2002 filing that described him as the firm's "sole stockholder, chairman of the board, chief executive officer and president."
Asked why his name remained on documents if he wasn't involved in the company, Romney told ABC that he had "retained ownership" until he and Bain officials could negotiate a departure and retirement package with the company. He told CBS News' Jan Crawford he had the "capacity" to return to Bain if he wanted after the Olympics but chose not to. He told Crawford he didn't "recall even coming back once" for Bain management meetings because he was running the Olympics "full time."
Asked by CNN's Jim Acosta about Democratic pressure for him to release additional tax returns and financial information about his investments overseas, Romney insisted he had "complied with the law" by filing federal financial disclosures and by releasing his 2010 tax returns. He said he would release his full 2011 returns when they are complete and suggested he wouldn't release more.
"That's all that's necessary for people to understand something about my finances," Romney told CNN.
Romney's round of interviews came after days of withering attacks from the Obama campaign on the presumptive Republican nominee's business record and personal finances. For days, the Romney campaign declined to engage the offensive, instead keeping its focus on Obama's handling of jobs and the economy.
But amid criticism from Republicans that Romney was endangering his campaign by ignoring the Obama attacks, the GOP seemed to shift course, releasing a series of TV ads trashing Obama for lying about Romney's record.
On Friday, the campaign scheduled a last-minute round of interviews with Romney in New Hampshire, where the candidate is set to spend this weekend off the campaign trail. In the interviews, Romney tried to shift the attention back to Obama's negative campaigning.
Asked if he believes he's being "swift-boated" by Democrats—a reference to independent attacks on John Kerry during the 2004 campaign—Romney told CNN he "hadn't heard that term." He told Acosta that Obama appears to be employing the "Kill Romney" strategy "they promised," referring to a phrase first floated by Democratic strategists in a Politico story last year.
In nearly all of the interviews, Romney mentioned the phone call he received in May from Obama once he clinched the nomination, telling reporters that Obama had told him he wanted to engage in an "important debate" about the state of the country and said he had "agreed" with the president. He told Fox News' Carl Cameron he found Obama's attacks "very disappointing" and "politics a lot worse than usual."
"(Americans) expected more from this president. He was the one that talked about a post-partisan presidency, changing the way politics works, changing the way Washington works. And I think people assumed he would make it better," Romney said. "But instead, with the kinds of attacks that he's been launching over the last several weeks, he's been making it worse and people recognize that."

Now I don't know about you but if your name is on the door, and you own all the stock, and you hold the position of CEO and CofB how can you not know what is going on or have nothing to do with that company? yea right, that's the same thing I thought. Fraud? If there is nothing wrong with his tax returns for the last 10 years, then why not post them, is he afraid that that people will figure out that he is part of that 1%? and has no clue what how the average American lives.

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[moi621]

Not a good week for Romney with Ohio and Wisconsin going from toss up to leaning Obama.
With sure bets and leanings, Obama now has enough electoral votes.
Someone has to have a good week, I guess.

[Riverwind]

Romney who only likes to talk to FOX news is now going to talk to all the networks about Bain Capital, this is not going away, if he is not careful he may be indited before the election. Some of the things he has done are not legal.

But do you want a Mysterious, Capitalist, rich guy for president? Me, I want to know how much money he has in overseas accounts and his tax records for the last 10 years.

How can anybody vote for some guy like Mitt who puts his money overseas, he wants to lead this country but not put his money where his mouth is.


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[Sweetpickle]

Living in a "swing" state I get to see many ads. Romney's ad (from his own committee) is very
carefully worded. It says; "There is no proof that Romney outsourced" Then it says "Obama lied about
Hillary Clinton" (with no explanation) Then goes on to say "You can't trust a liar as president"

[moi621]

Living in a "swing" state I get to see many ads. Romney's ad (from his own committee) is very
carefully worded. It says; "There is no proof that Romney outsourced" Then it says "Obama lied about
Hillary Clinton" (with no explanation) Then goes on to say "You can't trust a liar as president"

I have seen the commercial.
They should edit down to the Hillary statement.
She really looks like someone you would not want to mess with.

I am not saying I agree, although I do.
I am saying that 10 second moment clip has potency.

Moi

[Riverwind]

If as you say it says so much, how come Hillary is Sec of State in the Obama administration?

I however want to know why he feels its necessary to have overseas accounts? What is he hiding?


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[moi621]

Why haven't the Democrats done anything about off shore accounts?
Recently or in the before time.
Yup!
Democrats pander to the 1% too, since the Anti-New Dealer, JFK.
As Congressmen, NIXON and JFK were united as anti-New Dealers.
The birth of bi-partisan corporationism.
The beginning of the end for the middle middle.

Moi
No Obamney.
Vote for Gary Johnson.

[Cainanite]

Come election time I fully expect the news organizations to tow the party lines. All of this will disappear into the mire of non-reporting. The news outlets are complicit in the Etch-a-sketch of Romney's world. They do not believe that the American people have memory. It will be a non issue.

By this point I would think that the American people would have enough evidence to realize that Romney is a bad choice. He is a far worse choice than Obama by far. Yet the Republican momentum continues. The Republicans refuse to lose.

Romney is not a patriotic American. It is his actions that prove that. He has no clue what it is to be a regular American. He even said, on record, he had never heard of the term "Swift Boated". What American has not heard that term? He does not live on the same planet, let alone the same country as the citizens whose votes he is trying to win.

Romney exemplifies what is going wrong in the world. He may very well be guilty of securities and exchange fraud. His off shore holdings alone could be considered tax evasion. These are real things that the republicans will bury in the Etch-a-sketch.

Obama's worst crime is that he is not a miracle worker.

[Dave]

Living in a "swing" state I get to see many ads. Romney's ad (from his own committee) is very
carefully worded. It says; "There is no proof that Romney outsourced" Then it says "Obama lied about
Hillary Clinton" (with no explanation) Then goes on to say "You can't trust a liar as president"

I have often heard it said that while we can live a day without food or water, we cannot live without rationalizations.
And what are rationalizations but smell white lies, tiny things...

like: "Honey do these jeans make me look fat?"
like: "Oh good friend, you haven't aged a year since we left college."
like: "Gray hair suits you..."

Think about it. We aren't even honest with ourselves in a house alone. (Take a look in the mirror and suck in that gut and puff out that chest. You'll think how wonderful you look just like every other man does. it's human nature.).

[Riverwind]

Not true Dave, I looked in the mirror last Feburary after weighing myself, and said,'Your obese', I have lost 25 lbs so far, 80 to go.

[Riverwind]

Why haven't the Democrats done anything about off shore accounts?
Recently or in the before time.
Yup!
Democrats pander to the 1% too, since the Anti-New Dealer, JFK.
As Congressmen, NIXON and JFK were united as anti-New Dealers.
The birth of bi-partisan corporationism.
The beginning of the end for the middle middle.

Moi
No Obamney.
Vote for Gary Johnson.

Moi, stop it, you are making yourself look dumb. Not one of these people can even defend themselves, they have all been DEAD for years.

Keep it to the hear and now or at least recent now.

and

NO, NO way will I vote for some off party person like this Johnson dude. that would be a total waist of a vote, why bother, my vote is worth more then that.



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[Dave]

Living in a "swing" state I get to see many ads. Romney's ad (from his own committee) is very
carefully worded. It says; "There is no proof that Romney outsourced" Then it says "Obama lied about
Hillary Clinton" (with no explanation) Then goes on to say "You can't trust a liar as president"

I'm not picking a political argument with you. I don't include you in the people I'm talking about below.
I just need your post as context for something I want to say about those commercials.

I have had the feeling that certain republicans believe that if they only said "the economy is bad, vote for me" then the voters would do simply that, vote for them.
Question: Why would anyone think winning the presidency would be that simple?

This also goes to the "lie" question and those commercials. I propose that in a boxing match, the challenger cannot beat the champion on points alone. A challenger must decisively demonstrate that he is better than the current champion. Romney's commercials are too unitary, too simple. There is nothing new presented for the voter to see that Romney would be any better. He simply says, "I can do better" and then presents nothing else. The voter has to see an alternative just as the judge at a boxing match has to see more than technique or smart punching, a champion has to stagger and fall.
Look back to 2008, Hillary v Obama and think, was that a gentle fight? Hell no.
Look back to 2000 did GW Bush and McCain had a "delicate" fight. No.
What puzzles me is that anyone w0uld think that a "one-note" campaign of he's lousy or "The economy's bad and it's his fault" would succeed?
I look at commercials from both sides and wonder why I can see the ineffective ones and the campaigns cannot. Yes, there are ineffective commercials on both sides. I presume they test these with audiences (is that too much to presume?"

I also have the impression that certain republicans believe that if confronted, Obama would fold like a cheap hanky.
Again a question: Why would anyone believe that to be true after the Democratic primary in 2008?
I just don't understand that. Could it be that certain republicans believe their own nonsense about the weakness of democrats? I know Newt Gingrich does. He's a nasty little toad and you say the way he attached Romney. IT was very effective until ROmney carpet bombed him out of the race - twice. Santorum in my own state of Pennsylvania nearly had Romney on the ropes but had no money to continue a campaign and took the dignified way out. Rick Perry (who really did himself in as a candidate) is on tape trashing Romney and what does Romney do? Mouth the same lines over and over -- not after 1999, only one tax return, etc... What adviser is that unobservant as to tell Romney to do the same thing over and over and it will win?
I think certain republicans have surrounded themselves with only supporters, yes men and sycophants in quiet rooms and are getting high on their own farts and convincing themselves that what they are doing is working fantastically well. That voters will flock to their side in November and all will be wonderful.

[Dave]

Not true Dave, I looked in the mirror last February after weighing myself, and said,'You're obese', I have lost 25 lbs so far, 80 to go.

I didn't mean that question that literally. Good that you lost 25 pounds.

I was just pointing out that all of us lie to ourselves and others all the time. It's called rationalization and it's very human.

[Riverwind]

I know, I was just stating a fact, I AM FAT.


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