Health Care upheld

[Riverwind]

In the words of Ben Franklin, first we get our freedom, we can work out the details later, never loose sight of that.


Now there is time to fix the problem and make it better.


River

[sduyck_2000]

they will just pull it out of the earned income credit

the eic is more than enough to cover the taxes

the government giveth and the goverment taketh away

The real killer is employers having to cover everyone with health care over 50 employees..i would stay below 50 if i needed too..hire a lot of temps

How do you figure?

And how do I figure 1% of no income taxes paid for over ten years.
Insufficient "taxable" income, y'see.

[Losethem]

Since the Republicans were being so confident and cocky about believing it was a 100% certainty that the law would be overturned...

I'm spiking the ball.

Jusy sayin'.

--LT

[A-1]

Ask yourself this...

"Self, do you honestly think that the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) could have been enacted with the provision calling the fee in question a TAX?"

Of COURSE it would not have been enacted. Think about it. Calling it instead "a mandate" disguised its true identity and it took a BRILLIANT mind like that of Justice Kennedy to reveal it for what it actually was. The public mood about taxes was that EVERYBODY paid too much, even the rich who only paid 15% compared to the 38% that the WORKERS paid.

The give away was that it was to be administered by the IRS. Get it? But those who opposed it were too stupid to figure it out.

Say what you will, and say what you may, the FACT is that the Conservatives, Republicans, Greedy BasTARDS and so forth and so on were HOOD-WINKED by Obama, the master.

Now we must hear from Mittleschmertz like a sneaking little CLOSET MASTURBATER about how he will dismantle it IF ELECTED PRESIDENT... and HE WON'T DO SHIT. He won't do shit for many reasons, but the main one is that HE ENACTED THE SAME LAW (with more identical aspects than differences) FOR MASSACHUSETTS when he was Governor. He is like those who would condemn Men's Magazines in public while keeping a stash in his own closet.

This means two things...

• Mitt Romney is nothing but a LIAR.
• Mitt Romney will say (or do) ANYTHING to get elected President.

I tell you, if you elect this guy you will have a crook on the order of George W. Bush but one who is BRILLIANT enough to REALLY screw things up royally. (And I DO MEAN ROYALLY) Witness the prancing horses that only the RICH can afford.

The only people who will profit from a Romney Administration are the Corporate Raiders from whence he came, just the same as the OIL MEN $PROFITED$ from a George W. Bush Presidency, the group from which DUBYA came.

[Dave]

I think that justice Roberts took a step back adn looked at some of the decisions and direction the Supreme Court has taken since he became Chief Justice. And I think what he saw was a activist court that was rewriting law and creating law to meet a political agenda along the lines of Scalia and Thomas. Think of Citizens United and its offspring in Montana and that is Judicial Activism. Think Kelo v New London and some more recent courts. I think that Bush v Gore was part and parcel of this decision because of many reasons that I won't argue here.

That's not what John Roberts said his tenure on the court would be nor is it what he believed the Supreme Court should be doing.
If you look at the decision that Robert's wrote, the Supreme Court is not the arbiter of right and wrong between Republicans and Democrats. The Supreme Court is not the arbiter of good or bad policy. Congress and the Voters are the arbiter of political differences and Congress and the Voters are the arbiter of good and bad (whatever the hell that means) policy.

Roberts' believes that the Supreme Court does not exist to "throw out" an entire law but to provide guidance as to what passes constitutional muster. Therein lies his decision -- The ACA could not be justified under the Commerce Claus but it could be justified under the Tax Clause and therefore was constitutional.

I also think that this decision is a shot across the bow of both political parties. On the Left, it says don't expect that the federal government can coerces the states in all matters. On the right it says don't come to the court for decisions that make drastic changes in the legal landscape or rewrite thousands of laws. That is the proper function of legislatures and congress.

[Dave]

SCOTUS BLOG has done an analysis of the how CNN and FOX got the Supreme Court Decision on the Healthcare Act wrong.
I would copy it over but it is over 7000 words long and that only covers from 10:05 to 10:15 with an aftermath section.

It's here: http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/07/we...g-assessments/

It is titled: We're Getting Wildly Different Assessments Here
and is by Tom Goldstein, Publisher
and was posted Sat, July 7th, 2012 10:04 pm

The basic problem was that news services were trying to beat each other to the announcement and not taking the time to read the opinion.
BUt how that unfolded and why it happened is placed on paper.

[devi]

Well, I had had looked into what penalty that I'd be hit with for non-compliance with the health insurance mandate. So with the income that I've been making the last ten years, I'd have no penalty whatsoever. But if they were to try to bring me into compliance through an agency then I'd probably be able to get into the Medicare program without having to beg and walk on my knees. For as many times as I've been turned down for health insurance and for any job looking a cheaply insurable person (all of them) this is a great plus for me. So what I think I'm going to do is let 2014 go by without doing anything and then when they find that I am non-compliant, they will refer me to get me enrolled. Right now and I suspect in 2014 until the very last, I'd have to beg, s-o-o-o . . . . . . I'll just wait. I've waited for decades and I can wait a few more years.

[A-1]

With that being said, I'd like to take this opportunity to say FUCK THE MEDICAL INSURANCE COMPANIES, their sympathizers and consorts. Fuck them, fuck them, and fuck them some more until they are all as fucked-up as the rest of us who are FORCED to deal with them... How does it FEEL to be on the RECEIVING END for once?

[sag111]

I think the American people are getting just what we deserve.

[transward]

I think the American people are getting just what we deserve.

Careful.

If ... everyone what they deserve, would anyone ever escape a whipping? (Hamlet)

Transward

[roisengn]

he House can do what ever it wants, they can vote to repeal the bill, then Senator Reed in the Senate will throw it in the trash as it will get no further. Romney however said the way to get rid of this bill is to vote for him, LOL no surprise here. Bachmann asked the question, WHAT IS THIS COURT THINKING, well Bachmann, this court is telling you that this bill is constitutional, just because you don't like it does not mean its not legal.

[janekane]

I think the American people are getting just what we deserve.

I agree with the notion that "we" are getting what we deserve, if I allow into my life, as a ridiculous-hypothetical theory-in-use, that anyone actually deserves anything.

What I find we are getting is the compounding of deception as a societal organizing principle to such extent as deception is now as though intransigently and relentlessly screaming, "I am here!" in the manner of what may be well along the terminal pathway of unmitigated, stark terror.

Perhaps deception needs to dramatize its destructive social form and function all the way to unfathomable human despair before people realize that understanding deception and achieving its eradication is the order of the day.

Would it be cogent were I to suggest that I find the practical understanding of deception as an aspect of the human condition, and the practicable eradication of deception from the human condition, are of the core essence of my life and life work?

[Riverwind]

I think the American people are getting just what we deserve.

Does that mean we deserved Bush Jr too? just asking,

Does that mean we deserved to be fucked by wall street again? Just asking,

Does this mean that the next time a republican becomes president we will deserve being screwed yet again? Just saying




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