Why do men want to be castrated and have a penectomy

[wantingtbc]

For some men this is a gender issue. Many men it’s a fantasy.

It may sound strange to say you are straight and then same you enjoy sucking cock, but that’s what I like.

I have need to be forcible castrated and have my cock cut off by a dominant women. I wish to server this women and her male partner. This is not a fantasy, it’s a deep rooted need, I struggle with this urge every day and have done so most of my life.

I keep telling my-self this isn’t what I really want to no avail, but given the opportunity I wouldn’t hesitate. There is something inside that tells me this isn’t me, I am not that person.

I can’t understand why I am possessed with these thoughts. Do I want to destroy myself, am I not good enough for the world as I am.

Are there others who feel as I do. Do they understand what drives this need. I would really like to read your thoughts, and women what do you think of person like me, could you happily live with that person. As women, and I am not asking, would you do that to a man and then live with consequences.

[sailorboy]

Hi,

You would be surprised how many married men like to have their cocks sucked, either by their wives, or by other men or women. Sex is a natural and STRONG urge. Being castrated is a fantasy for me--I think, but if some Dominant Guy nutted me, I would serve that superior Man as his slave! If that event should occur, I wouldn't want to lose my cock, but let it be permanently soft for the rest of my life in servitude to a Master, pleasuring him/her without getting any personal pleasure.

You are certainly a good person, but think carefully about what you wish, because there would be NO turning back. Your need is driven by the sexual urges coursing through your body. Be good to yourself and consider all the options available to you.

[Caponized]

For some men this is a gender issue. Many men it’s a fantasy.

It may sound strange to say you are straight and then same you enjoy sucking cock, but that’s what I like.

I have need to be forcible castrated and have my cock cut off by a dominant women. I wish to server this women and her male partner. This is not a fantasy, it’s a deep rooted need, I struggle with this urge every day and have done so most of my life.

I keep telling my-self this isn’t what I really want to no avail, but given the opportunity I wouldn’t hesitate. There is something inside that tells me this isn’t me, I am not that person.

I can’t understand why I am possessed with these thoughts. Do I want to destroy myself, am I not good enough for the world as I am.

Are there others who feel as I do. Do they understand what drives this need. I would really like to read your thoughts, and women what do you think of person like me, could you happily live with that person. As women, and I am not asking, would you do that to a man and then live with consequences.

You are right, I think. There is no simple answer for most folk. -On the face of it, chopping bits off makes no sense whatever.

We end up acting on a mix of the rational, psych reactions to our personality and environment, and the delight of dream and fantasy. Don't knock this last one; almost every fine idea starts with a dream. It is equally important to know the difference between a dream and reality you can live with.

Here's my story -"potted" for brevity- with many similarities round EA.
School was mostly unenjoyable, I suspect that today I might have been thought perilously close to Asbergers.
Teen years brought a wish for asexuality, at odds with peer pressure, of course. (Common with Asb.)

Put this with one atrophic testicle, chronicly painful and the other painful from recurrent orchitis from urinary reflux to it, and you have a straight man, with some professional success, a married father of one, who still wants an orchie.
An understanding wife wants health and happiness of her husband with continuation of an active sex life with her husband. She reluctantly agrees to the orchiectomy, but clearly HRT is absolutely required.

Now ask this rational straight married man, he will tell you he wants an orchie (and circ), and if he were not married, would be very interested in nullification. It is all the product of a man and his lifetime environment, understandable but a reminder to be careful when tempted to act on powerful urges to do the irreversible.

We were considering Thailand for this adjustment, but first we need to find out a little more about Dr A here in US.

Take care, everyone here: enjoy the fantasies but try for insight too.

[A-1]

Maybe they have a secret wish to be Al Capon...





OUCH!!!

[Mac]

For me, it is because I don't have any practical use for them and they are only a source of frustration.

[janekane]

The question, " Why do men want to be castrated and have a penectomy?" may, I suspect, be usefully generalized into, "Why do some people want some 'things' and why do some people want to avoid some 'things'?" One person may want a touring bicycle, and want to not have a tadpole trike. Another person may want both a delta trike and a 1940 vintage Raleigh three speed bicycle with a saddle instead of a seat.

From whence cometh "wants" and from whence cometh "don't wants"? What relationship, if any, is there among a person's wants and the person's needs? Do unconditional wants and needs exist at all, or are all wants and needs conditional, and, if all wants and needs are conditional, by what biological/social mechanism(s) are wants and needs conditioned?

As to the question of the existence of unconditional wants and needs, I find that they simply do not exist. To me, if there were an unconditional need to be alive, death would not exist, and eating food would be impossible because food is life that died to become part of other life, life as we experience it, could not exist. If being alive is merely a conditional need, I have an agitated hunch that believing in unconditional needs is a variation on the theme of psychosis.

I herewith confess to having studied biology at and beyond college level since 1947, starting that effort early during third grade. I further herewith confess to having been labeled as "high-functioning autistic savant" by a few people over the past year who have worked extensively and intensively with people of the autism spectrum. I also confess to having been put through extensive and intensive neurological studies as a consequence of the uncommon reaction I had to morphine given for major surgery (a colectomy with ileo-rectal anastomosis) in 1986, a few months or so after my bilateral orchiectomy; those studies, along with my life history, comprise serious evidence that I am a variation on the theme of a synesthete.

Let me deal with those terms as used in the prior paragraph. "High-functioning" may usefully mean that I have been employable, that I was a high-school honors student, that I graduated from college with high honors, that I was able to earn a Ph.D., and that I have not been sentenced to prison for being incorrigibly defiant of some not-optional-by-rule-of-law social/cultural demands. "Autistic" refers to a way of living in which "the self is an object of study." "Savant" means that I have been noted by others as some of my liberal arts college classmates put it (a verbatim quote), to be "some sort of genius beyond what we thought possible." Without identifying myself or those fellow students, I will mention that the liberal arts college was Carleton, in Northfield, Minnesota, one of the top ten ranked national liberal arts colleges in the U.S, and one of the most selective. While I find myself to be a run-of-the-mill person, neither more nor less special than anyone else, not everyone seems to agree with my self-appraisal. "Synesthesa" is a condition in which the brain of a person has connections that the brains of most people do not have.

Synesthesia, for me, has the effect that what is "subconscious" for most people is the center of my conscious awareness. I never learned to think in words and I never learned to think in pictures. Many times, people who I allow meant well have attempted to coerce me into thinking in words as they thought they did, doing so "for my own good," to help me become "normal." To date, such attempts have been met with identically-zero success.

To the extent that it is usefully true that I fit the pattern of "high-functioning autistic savant-synesthete," it is even more true that I never went through the commonplace infant-child transition (typically at 18 months of age), and, having never transitioned socially into childhood, also never transitioned into conventionally-socially-defined adolescence or adulthood.

Is it possible for a person to live as an infant for more than 73 years, being usefully productive both personally and socially? In my view, doing that would be a silly fantasy, unless someone has actually, and clearly demonstrably, done it. I find that my actual life is such a demonstration, and I find that my actual life is unambiguous evidence of the socially-traditional infant-child transition being of unintended, and yet-unpreventable, catastrophic traumatic brain damage.

There is the view that babies are born with unnecessary brain connections, and that, in becoming socialized, unnecessary brain connections are "pruned." I never "pruned" any unnecessary brain connections because I never experienced having any unnecessary brain connections. I am inclined to speculate that my being of the "high-functioning autistic savant-synesthete" variety of humans is simply the consequence of having had sufficiently autistic parents and an older brother who were willing and able to allow me to keep those supposedly unnecessary connections.

If a person is to become hateful, it is my observation that the connections I kept need to be pruned. If a person is willing to use a lethal weapon to deliberately kill another person, it is my observation that the connections I kept need to be pruned. If a person is willing and able to develop self-hatred and project that self-hatred onto others (New York World Trade Center, 11, September, 2001?), it is my observation that the connections I kept so as to be a synesthete need to be pruned.

I began studying biology at college level while in third grade for the simple reason that the way I observed almost everyone else living made no sort of intelligibly coherent sense to me whatsoever. After something like 65 years of dedicating my whole life to constructing a useful model of the way most other people model existence, I am finally getting a hint of a possible clue. I have been using the mindset of forensic engineering to reverse-engineer the structure(s) of human society into their basis object-relations principles, with the objective in mind of learning whether an unrecognizable (and thus, unpreventable) error made early in human social development has resulted in socialization processes which are unintentionally shatteringly-brain-damaging traumatic.

I have been reading and re-reading Leonard Mlodinow, "Subliminal: How Your Unconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior," Pantheon, 2012. Mlodinow is a theoretical physicist of the sort who was able to co-author a book, "The Grand Design," with Stephen Hawking. My unconscious mind does not rule my behavior because I never developed an unconscious mind because I categorically rejected going through the infant-child transition while yet an infant (and I remain, in the sociallization-stage tradition of "in-utero, infancy, childhood, adolescence, adulthood") functionally an infant now. The unconscious mind that is the subject of Mlodinow's book is, so I find as a Wisconsin Registered Professional Engineer, in accord with the Code of Ethics of the National Society of Professional Engineers, the result of child abuse of such devastatingly catastrophic brain-damaging trauma as to render those who magnificently achieve said transition from the ineluctable truthfulness of early infancy into the devastating deception of late childhood effectively insensate to the terrifying coercion they managed to survive.

People who have an unconscious mind will do what their unconscious mind commands them to do, including sometimes seeking removal of genitals for unconscious, diverse and often (to me if to no one else) biologically proper reasons, doing so in the sometimes-consciously-puzzling manner of everyone whose actions are effectively ruled by an unconscious mind.

For myself, since very early in my life, I had a sense that my brain was inwardly of female orientation while the rest of my body was outwardly of male orientation. While people whose behavior is ruled by an unconscious mind may experience a life such as mine as of inner conflict, I experienced my gender situation as complementary (yes, and...) and not as conflicting (no, but...).

When, however, I was done with my baby-making role and when I realized that my following the pathway of a disconcerting number of close relatives (dying while a child of mine might really benefit from having a living dad), I chose life instead of death, and set out, using all the theoretical and applied biology I could muster, to act so as to maximize my a-priori probability of being a living dad as long as my being a living dad might be useful. I recognized hints that, for me, having typical male testosterone levels might seriously interfere with apoptosis, and veritable certainty that well-functioning apoptosis was likely to be essential for my living a usefully long life.

I have gradually learned that my having eluded the infant-child transition, and thereby having avoided learning the objective-reality-distorting mental mechanisms of childhood (aka, psychological defenses) ruled out my adolescence (perfecting the use of objective-reality-distorting psychological defenses) and ruled out my being an adult (coercively indoctrinating the next generation with objective-reality-distorting mental mechanisms). It is the distortion of directly-observable objective reality that makes the unconscious mind necessary.

In a life in which psychological defenses are absent, an unconscious mind is equally absent. How do I know this? How am I familiar with this? How do I understand this?

I simply live it, and have simply lived it for the whole entirety of my life.

I know that psychological defenses are responses to otherwise unsurvivable traumatic brain damage because I am vividly, consciously aware of the nearly heartbreaking effort it has taken me to effectively prevent my developing any sort of unconscious mind in the sense of "unconscious mind" as Mlodinow has described.

Until some person has actually lived a decently long, socially useful, life without ever having internalized psychological defenses and without ever having developed an unconscious mind, the life I have actually lived would still be, at best, a delusional fairy-tale hypothetical.

And, I am here, am alive, have lived for more than 73 years without ever developing an unconscious mind, and the prior hypothetical possibility of the life I have actually lived has taken the path from an unrealized hypothetical to a realizing probability to an actually demonstrable, scientifically verifiable, fact of life.

Why do people do what they do? Because neurochemicals in brain synapses wander about and post-synaptic membrane depolarizations (nerve action potentials, or nerve impulses) happen, and nerve impulses dump neurochemicals into synapses and post-synaptic membrane depolarizations happen, and, from time to time, a nerve impulses get to motor neuron, and motor neurons activate a muscle fibers, and overt conduct happens.

In some ways, life is amazingly simple in its unfathomable complexity.

Life is, because life is made of death, as death is made of life; and life is made of death is made of life because whatever happens, as it happens, is actually necessary and sufficient (otherwise, what happens would not be able to happen?)...

Choices are because life is because,in one way or another, life is apparently impossible to not choose. That, anyway, is as good as I am able to now put into words the core of my life experiences.

[Eromel-1]

There is a very lucid and irrefutable and simple answer to this question. Men are compelled to obey an ethical imperative. The ethical imperative states that evil is the penetration into the personal domain of the other. For all practical purposes "personal domain" can be translated at the body of the other. Therefore to obviate penetration the instrument of penetration must be nullified.

Actually this is all bullshit since men (generally speaking) are neither rational or ethical. But didn't you get a kind of rush of indignation at the pure righteousness of it all?

[SplitDik]

For some men this is a gender issue. Many men it’s a fantasy.

It may sound strange to say you are straight and then same you enjoy sucking cock, but that’s what I like.

I have need to be forcible castrated and have my cock cut off by a dominant women. I wish to server this women and her male partner. This is not a fantasy, it’s a deep rooted need, I struggle with this urge every day and have done so most of my life.

I keep telling my-self this isn’t what I really want to no avail, but given the opportunity I wouldn’t hesitate. There is something inside that tells me this isn’t me, I am not that person.

I can’t understand why I am possessed with these thoughts. Do I want to destroy myself, am I not good enough for the world as I am.

Are there others who feel as I do. Do they understand what drives this need. I would really like to read your thoughts, and women what do you think of person like me, could you happily live with that person. As women, and I am not asking, would you do that to a man and then live with consequences.

Hey, thanks for your honest questions. To me it sounds like you are asking for help ... here's my take on it.

There are three types of "sane" castration desires:
- true gender identity reasons -- want to be woman or want to be asexual
- fetish -- basically this is getting a rush out of the act itself
- shame/frustration with your sex drive, sexual interests, or sexual orientation

To me the most "legitimate" reason is the first -- i.e. if you really don't want to be a man, then you will likely be happier after castration. The other two reasons are more dubious -- getting castrated for a thrill will likely lead to regret, and getting castrated due to sex drive is probably avoidable (there are other ways to manage sex drive).

Personally, I've found that the reasons can also be combined -- for example if you've been desiring castration for reason of sex drive control eventually it becomes a fetish.

Without judging, I think that you have some homosexual tendencies that you are ashamed of as your original reason for wanting to be castrated, which has now become also a fetish. I don't think you have a true gender identity issue.

What I would suggest to you, before going through with an actual castration, is as follows:
- try to get rid of all shame related to your sexual urges. It is okay if you like to suck cock -- embrace the idea. Become a bisexual slut (play safe of course) and enjoy it. The reality is that every healthy male has very high sex drive and that should not be shameful. Also, despite society and religion's current oppression of gays, it is a very natural expression for some people. No shame!
- the fetish part is harder to get rid of. It is basically that your body has become addicted to an adrenaline rush it gets when thinking of the taboo + pain + finality of being castrated. My recommendations here is to try SSRI anti-depressants. You should actually see a sexual therapist and start getting treated for "paraphillia" (aka a fetish). SSRI is a common treatment. For me this was a life-saver. I went from basically being mentally obsessed with destroying my genitals to it becoming totally non interesting to me. It doesnt' work for everyone, but I definitely suggest trying it. My other suggestion is to channel you adrenaline seeking into a healthier thrill -- try an intense sport (I use boxing), or something like skydiving. Male bodies need adrenaline, and that is why there are so many sports and thrill-seeking activities. Why do you think runners are always running -- they basically have a sort of addiction to the biochemical response in the body.

Hope this helps!

[nvrgag44]

Splitdik, I liked your reponse. It made perfect sense to me. And I really liked,
"try to get rid of all shame related to your sexual urges. It is okay if you like to suck cock -- embrace the idea. Become a bisexual slut (play safe of course) and enjoy it. The reality is that every healthy male has very high sex drive and that should not be shameful."

[cocktamer]

For some men this is a gender issue. Many men it’s a fantasy.



I keep telling my-self this isn’t what I really want to no avail, but given the opportunity I wouldn’t hesitate. There is something inside that tells me this isn’t me, I am not that person.

I can’t understand why I am possessed with these thoughts. Do I want to destroy myself, am I not good enough for the world as I am.

Most likely there is strong stuff that did happen to you in your childhood, that you do not remember anymore.
But those experiences have crystalised in " strange" desires you do not understand.

The same did happen to me: Only after I started to recall stuff that my parents did to me as a gay teen ( " gay cure " ) was I able to understand my own sexual fantasies ( involving chastity devices, erection contol, estim " sex with machines " stuff )
it then became clear to me that those sexual fantasies of me had been generated by the deeds of others, and where not the result of my own percieved perversity.

all the same, I take responsibility for those desires and now I know that, although they are still here ( the sexual fantasies ) I do not need to take them serious any more.
In fact what did happen in my youth was a initiation in dark sexuality; a yourney through the underworld ; a shamanic experience. And those of us who are aquinted with " the dark" knows that it is a source of intense facination; once touched by it you are never the same, nor will you ever be. If one can integrate the experience, it becomes a source of strenght and wisdom.
it is not without reason that both the mysteries of Eleusis and Orpheus ( in ancient Greece) did center around a yourney into the underworld as means to acquire wisdom and power.

[kristoff]

Hey, thanks for your honest questions. To me it sounds like you are asking for help ... here's my take on it.

There are three types of "sane" castration desires:
- true gender identity reasons -- want to be woman or want to be asexual
- fetish -- basically this is getting a rush out of the act itself
- shame/frustration with your sex drive, sexual interests, or sexual orientation

To me the most "legitimate" reason is the first -- i.e. if you really don't want to be a man, then you will likely be happier after castration. The other two reasons are more dubious -- getting castrated for a thrill will likely lead to regret, and getting castrated due to sex drive is probably avoidable (there are other ways to manage sex drive).

Personally, I've found that the reasons can also be combined -- for example if you've been desiring castration for reason of sex drive control eventually it becomes a fetish.

Without judging, I think that you have some homosexual tendencies that you are ashamed of as your original reason for wanting to be castrated, which has now become also a fetish. I don't think you have a true gender identity issue.

What I would suggest to you, before going through with an actual castration, is as follows:
- try to get rid of all shame related to your sexual urges. It is okay if you like to suck cock -- embrace the idea. Become a bisexual slut (play safe of course) and enjoy it. The reality is that every healthy male has very high sex drive and that should not be shameful. Also, despite society and religion's current oppression of gays, it is a very natural expression for some people. No shame!
- the fetish part is harder to get rid of. It is basically that your body has become addicted to an adrenaline rush it gets when thinking of the taboo + pain + finality of being castrated. My recommendations here is to try SSRI anti-depressants. You should actually see a sexual therapist and start getting treated for "paraphillia" (aka a fetish). SSRI is a common treatment. For me this was a life-saver. I went from basically being mentally obsessed with destroying my genitals to it becoming totally non interesting to me. It doesnt' work for everyone, but I definitely suggest trying it. My other suggestion is to channel you adrenaline seeking into a healthier thrill -- try an intense sport (I use boxing), or something like skydiving. Male bodies need adrenaline, and that is why there are so many sports and thrill-seeking activities. Why do you think runners are always running -- they basically have a sort of addiction to the biochemical response in the body.

Hope this helps!

Don't forget that there is another legitimate reason for desiring castration: Body Integrity Identity Disorder. It can and does involve castration as well as penectomy and nullification.

[Paolo]

And orchialgia, (chronic pain/aches) minor or major, annoying as it is.

[msts1945]

The question, " Why do men want to be castrated and have a penectomy?" may, I suspect, be usefully generalized into, "Why do some people want some 'things' and why do some people want to avoid some 'things'?" One person may want a touring bicycle, and want to not have a tadpole trike. Another person may want both a delta trike and a 1940 vintage Raleigh three speed bicycle with a saddle instead of a seat.

From whence cometh "wants"

Choices are because life is because,in one way or another, life is apparently impossible to not choose. That, anyway, is as good as I am able to now put into words the core of my life experiences.

Thank you Not sure I understand much of what you write, after all I do have an unconscious mind. But although I cannot imagine skipping from baby to adult, I enjoyed your description
Cheers
msts

[SplitDik]

Don't forget that there is another legitimate reason for desiring castration: Body Integrity Identity Disorder. It can and does involve castration as well as penectomy and nullification.

Sure, but I was listing the common "sane" reaons. I think that BIID is closer to being seriously mentally ill. For example, people can also castrate for reasons of schizophrenia, paranoia, delusions, self-harm, attention-getting, etc. as well. I'm not being judgmental, but there is a scale of these things and most people would differentiate someone who is struggling with orientation or sex drive as a common affliction, whereas BIID is extremely rare.

Also, I'm not sure there are actually any definitive cases of BIID related to genitals. I remember talking to that doctor who was studying the relationship (i.e. castration desire relative to BIID) and I think he was still looking for supporting data. With legs and such it is much easier to diagnose BIID, but with genitals there are so many other psychological layers (gender identity, fetish, self-harm, etc.).

[SplitDik]

And orchialgia, (chronic pain/aches) minor or major, annoying as it is.

True, although I was kinda listing psychological reasons. Obviously there are many physical reasons -- cancer, pain, infection, injury -- but those don't really cause confusion of the type the thread poster was describing.