Calcium / Vitamin D Supplements Useless??

[IEunuch]

This has just come out in the news in the last day or two, and while there's no real way to know how much of it applies to eunuchs (especially those who are not on any form of HRT), it is something that may apply, and is something that people should be aware of:

Calcium, vitamin D may not help avoid fractures
CBC News Posted: Jun 13, 2012 5:38 PM ET Last Updated: Jun 13, 2012 5:26 PM ET

An influential panel of experts in the United States says that healthy postmenopausal women don't need to take vitamin D and calcium supplements to avoid bone fractures, because the research suggests that doing so won't help.


The U.S. Preventive Services Task Force published a “draft recommendation statement” on Tuesday, which also said there was little evidence that supplements of vitamin D taken alone or with calcium help prevent premenopausal women and men from breaking bones.


The independent panel is made up of primary care physicians and epidemiologists that are appointed by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to review evidence suggesting whether clinical treatments are effective.


Their analysis of vitamin D and calcium supplements was based on a review of more than 100 clinical studies.


Previous research has raised the possibility that the two supplements play a role in fending off certain types of cancer. Some studies have concluded that higher calcium and vitamin D intake is associated with lower breast cancer risk, for example. However, the panel concluded there wasn’t enough clinical evidence to support or reject such claims.


For postmenopausal women, the panel looked at vitamin D doses of up to 400 international units per day, and as much as 1,000 milligrams of calcium.


People who take more than those doses of both supplements face a small risk of developing renal stones, they said.


The panel’s recommendations could spur debate over the role of calcium in a healthy diet, since the mineral has been widely embraced by doctors and the public on the grounds that it helps prevent fractures.


Vitamin D is a steroid hormone that regulates calcium and phosphate levels in the blood and promotes the growth of healthy bones.

[eunuch2001]

Interesting. I take Calcichew daily in the belief it will help prevent osteoporosis and at the back of my mind is the constant worry about developing renal stones.

[Paolo]

I take 10k IU of D3 in oil form every morning, and I can tell when I've missed it.
As for preventing osteoporosis, I have no idea. However, since I don't consume much dairy other than cheese, I'm sure it isn't hurting anything.

[moi621]

Building New Bone, The Calcium Phallacy (hey, it is EA)
by Moi

Experience has demonstrated and produced advocates that full consideration of the physiology of making new bone will reveal an effectual strategy. This experience involves expedited fracture healing and expedited orthopedic surgery healing that provoke comments from the orthopedist and elderly with fractures that will not heal.
Bone is not fabricated out of an absence of bone. First a cartilage matrix forms and the cartilage is eventually mineralized by, you know what.
Besides Vitamin D and Calcium I encourage seeking out dietary cartilage like at the end of chicken bones and chewing it well. It is basically two essential amino acids, proline and hydroxyproline. But, rather then advocate taking P and P-OH I advocate "Gelatin Capsules 10 grain" Jello in a capsule. Derives from cartilaginous parts of critters so it has the right "bricks". There is NO vegan source!
Bricks? Right, so who is the mason, you ask? Well maybe you didn't but, however,
the mason is Vitamin C AND Vitamin P
Vitamin P was de-vitaminized by the FDA when they decided extra C could cover it. Not true FDA, my experience.
My program has failed in persons who neglected their Vitamin P like grandma encouraged you to eat the white part of the orange peel. The C in in the fruit, the Vitamin P in the peel.
Vitamin P is listed in mg as "bioflavinoids as well as rutin".
Find a formula where each tab contains
500 mg of Vit. C
50 mg of Rutin
250 mg of Bioflavinoid
etc. is okay. It is a common generic prep. Often called Total C or Complete C.
Now what?
Well besides seeking out foods with cartilage (jello, bones) and vitamins and of course protein too
One of those Vitamin C Complete tabs with 3 or 4 Gelatin 10 gr. capsules. The mason and bricks.
And a Vitamin D & Calcium, I like Os-Cal brand or a citrate salt to be nouveau with Vitamin D.

The End

Questions?

[moi621]

I take 10k IU of D3 in oil form every morning, and I can tell when I've missed it.
As for preventing osteoporosis, I have no idea. However, since I don't consume much dairy other than cheese, I'm sure it isn't hurting anything.

I tried the Viking way. A bottle of "organic" Cod Liver Oil. A swill before the mead. But, I had no mead.
Fish oil and I do not get along. I discovered why they call the fish, Orange Roughie the embarrassing way.
Fish Oil Capsules are roughie on me too.
Not Butter or Creamy Milk. Rich Cheese or Ice Cream. If only I could handle fish oil <sigh>

Moi
When it comes to dairy, the fat is where the Vit D & E are. Sin for good health.

[Paolo]

Consumption of fats such as meats and all organic fats (not the man made freaky vegetable fats or created transfats) being demonized as what will kill you is a myth perpetuated by Big Pharma and the medical community. Once I went low carb and high fat, my entire body changed for the better. Man did not evolve eating tofu and no-fat, which in concert with "healthy grains" has triggered the huge explosion in disease and disorders of all kinds since its inception. Low/no fat is a myth, and one best counteracted by a Paleo diet.

[eunuch2001]

Low/no fat is a myth

I think it's worse than a myth - I wonder what chemical processing is involved to achieve alleged low fat status.

[devi]

So now I have a very valid explanation to tell others for chewing off the ends of the chicken bones after having partarken of the holy sacrament of hot hot hot wings and ale at happy hour.

[mansman9]

Your body produces 25,000 units of vitamin D with 10 minutes of sun light and it's free.

[Losethem]

I've always tended to believe that all calcium supplements do to the body is calcify things that don't need calcifying - IE the kidneys.

--LT

[Paolo]

Achieving low fat status is easy - they take the fat out and replace it with wheat product, corn syrup, and sugar. All of your no-fat/low fat products are loaded in sugars, therefore carbs, which cause insulin spikes that create weight gain. And in the case of a diabetic, everything you've been told about diet (high carb, sugar that is planned for is fine, no fat) is DEAD WRONG. Literally. It's all a racket by the ADA and Big Pharma to make more money, because diabetes is a wet dream come to life for their money making industry.

I did all the heart healthy "proper diet" thing for years. I got my weight up over 200 lbs. on a small 5'8" frame and felt like shit, with a whole raft of medical issues. After shedding nearly 60 lbs and going from a 38" waist to a 32" now, I feel great. I consume huge portions of meat, cheese, eggs, and above-ground vegetables and try to avoid processed garbage. The changes, even without hard exercise, are, to me, miraculous.

[transward]

Achieving low fat status is easy - they take the fat out and replace it with wheat product, corn syrup, and sugar. All of your no-fat/low fat products are loaded in sugars, therefore carbs, which cause insulin spikes that create weight gain. And in the case of a diabetic, everything you've been told about diet (high carb, sugar that is planned for is fine, no fat) is DEAD WRONG. Literally. It's all a racket by the ADA and Big Pharma to make more money, because diabetes is a wet dream come to life for their money making industry.

I did all the heart healthy "proper diet" thing for years. I got my weight up over 200 lbs. on a small 5'8" frame and felt like shit, with a whole raft of medical issues. After shedding nearly 60 lbs and going from a 38" waist to a 32" now, I feel great. I consume huge portions of meat, cheese, eggs, and above-ground vegetables and try to avoid processed garbage. The changes, even without hard exercise, are, to me, miraculous.

It amazes me how the human animal manages to survive and thrive in almost every climate on vastly different diets., from the Inuit (fat, meat. and fish., with almost no veggies or grains), to vast parts of the world where people thrive on a diet of white rice (carbs) with a few veggies and maybe a little fish. (and those are some of the longest lived parts of the world.) to vegans who live on beans and greens and fruit.

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