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    Mitt Romney’s ‘92 Percent’ Lie

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    Mitt Romney’s ‘92 Percent’ Lie: There He Goes Again
    by Leslie Bennetts Apr 16, 2012 1:37 PM EDT

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...oes-again.html

    Romney claims that women suffered almost all of the job losses since Obama took office. Leslie Bennetts on why this particular lie is so insidious—and why it reveals the candidate’s startling stupidity.

    And they say Mitt Romney can’t be trusted! Why, the man is as consistent as the sun coming up in the morning.

    Mitt Romney can always be counted upon—for intellectual dishonesty.

    In the latest example of his egregious lack of intellectual integrity, Romney—desperate to reverse the GOP’s catastrophic loss of popularity among women voters—invented a fictitious Obama administration “war on women” and then claimed as proof the disproportionate job losses suffered by women during the second wave of the recession.

    Romney’s misrepresentation of labor-force trends was hardly surprising; we’ve come to expect misleading and untruthful statements from a candidate infamous for denying he ever said things he did say and insisting he didn’t do things he did do.

    “The real war on women has been waged by the policies of the Obama administration,” Romney claimed on This Week. “Did you know that of all the jobs lost during the Obama years, 92.3 percent of them are women?”

    It’s enough to make you wish that Ronald Reagan were still around to shake his head sorrowfully and say, “There he goes again.”

    In the absence of Reagan and his famous line, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner dutifully made the rounds yesterday, trying to explain what was wrong with Romney’s charge. “It’s a ridiculous argument,” Geithner said, noting that the first round of job losses affected mostly men, particularly in construction and manufacturing, while subsequent budget cuts by state and local governments eliminated many jobs held primarily by women, many of them teachers.

    The Obama administration was far from alone in rejecting Romney’s claims; virtually every independent analysis dismissed them as “mostly false,” as the nonpartisan fact-check site Politifact put it.

    But Romney’s accusations were worse than false; they were the political equivalent of that old joke about the guy who begs the judge for mercy, saying he shouldn’t be convicted of murder because he’s an orphan—while neglecting to mention that he’s an orphan because he killed his parents.

    As any debater knows, making your case is about the facts you include, but it’s also about the facts you leave out. And when it comes to the nation’s economic woes, the facts that Romney leaves out include the culpability of Republican policies and office holders for the dismal state of the labor market—particularly when it comes to women.

    The facts that Romney leaves out have to do with the culpability of Republican policies.


    First of all, most of the catastrophic job losses affecting men actually occurred while President Bush was still in office. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, men lost 5,355,000 jobs between December 2007 and June 2009, whereas women lost less than half that number—“only” 2,124,000 jobs.

    But after that devastating first hit, men’s job losses slowed, whereas women’s accelerated. Between January 2009 and March 2012, men lost 57,000 jobs, but women lost 683,000 jobs. Of those 683,000 jobs, 64 percent were in government, and 36 percent were in the private sector.

    And it was Republican office holders at the state and local level, not Democrats at the federal level, who were responsible for a disproportionate share of those losses. According to a study by the Roosevelt Institute, 11 states that went Republican in 2010 accounted for more than 40 percent of all state- and local-government job losses.

    But Romney’s claim that President Obama has destroyed women’s jobs leaves out that part, just as it omits any acknowledgment of the terrifying fiscal mess that Obama inherited from a disastrous Republican administration when he came into office.

    Although Romney’s specious statistics were designed to scare women into thinking that the Obama administration has somehow vaporized huge numbers of women’s jobs while leaving men virtually unscathed, that’s hardly the reality. Of all the jobs lost since 2007, only 39.7 percent were held by women; more than 60 percent were held by men. The recession has been terrible for everyone, and it hit women’s jobs somewhat later than it hit men’s jobs, but it’s not as if anyone escaped unscathed.

    Mitt Romney surely knows this—and yet his attack on Obama might just as easily have been leveled by someone who was completely clueless about labor-force trends, the structural reasons that explain how they happen, and what they mean.

    No one who’s followed the presidential campaign, let alone Romney’s political career, could possibly be surprised that he distorted the facts; he’s an old hand at that stuff. But what’s really startling is how stupid his analysis was.

    Romney keeps telling voters they should elect him because Obama broke the nation’s economy and he’s such a smart businessman he knows how to fix it.

    But if his latest salvo is any indication of how well Romney understands the economy, Harvard Business School should demand that he give back his M.B.A.
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    Well one thing I think we know about Mitt, is that he will say and do anything to be elected. Truth has nothing to do with him or politics in his eyes.

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    before this election is over we will be buried in half thuths from both sides

    time to get prepared thats politics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverwind View Post
    Well one thing I think we know about Mitt, is that he will say and do anything to be elected. Truth has nothing to do with him or politics in his eyes.

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    Obama has already started to do that. Hope that Romney can avoid it.
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    Re: Mitt Romney’s ‘92 Percent’ Lie

    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Obama has already started to do that. Hope that Romney can avoid it.
    Do you mean the Romney of real life who has two sides of every position or the Romney of your dreams who doesn't flip-flop?
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    Want to know what is the problem with Romney's two sides to every story?

    In Romney's case you cannot believe either side.

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    Isn't Romney's lie about women's job losses just a witty riposte to Democrats' lie about a Republican "War on Women." Dems might have gotten away with it if that Uber-Dem hadn't sneered at Ann Romney for being only a mother instead of a political aparatchik. Whoops. Hilary Rosen is the sort of female dog that working class women have complained about for years. In fact, wasn't the "War on Women" a phrase launched by Democrats against Republicans? Now that you lost that volley, you're whining about it.

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    We have had one MBA president already, I think we can do without making that mistake again.

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    Re: Mitt Romney’s ‘92 Percent’ Lie

    Quote Originally Posted by bobover3 View Post
    Isn't Romney's lie about women's job losses just a witty riposte to Democrats' lie about a Republican "War on Women." Dems might have gotten away with it if that Uber-Dem hadn't sneered at Ann Romney for being only a mother instead of a political aparatchik. Whoops. Hilary Rosen is the sort of female dog that working class women have complained about for years. In fact, wasn't the "War on Women" a phrase launched by Democrats against Republicans? Now that you lost that volley, you're whining about it.
    When Republicans support viagra for men and deny birth control to women...
    that's a war on women.

    When health systems stop paying for PAP Smears and Mammograms (my mother who is going to be 90 years old still get mammograms) and cover men's prostate exams and ppe-ppe care for STDs, that's a war on women.

    When "life" is defined as being from the date of a woman's last period (not ovulation or intercourse) to prevent abortion, and men get to masturbate all they want,
    that's a war on women.

    What else could it be but a war on women ?
    It's not democratic legislatures that are passing these laws or democratic governors who are signing these laws... It's republican legislatures and republican governors.
    That's a republican war on women.
    “They also call it the Winged Isle. Some say it is because the island, if seen from above, would look like butterfly wings. And I do not know the truth of it.” Then, “ ‘And what is truth?’ said jesting Pilate.” From: The Truth Is A Cave In The Black Mountains by Neil Gaiman.

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    When a republican congress asks about birth control and only asks priest and don't invite an opinion from any woman that's a war on woman. I know you knew this but I am going to guess you did not think this is important, but it is.

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    i cant get viagra paid for by anyone

    my wife got everything for free

    has that changed




    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    When Republicans support viagra for men and deny birth control to women...
    that's a war on women.

    When health systems stop paying for PAP Smears and Mammograms (my mother who is going to be 90 years old still get mammograms) and cover men's prostate exams and ppe-ppe care for STDs, that's a war on women.

    When "life" is defined as being from the date of a woman's last period (not ovulation or intercourse) to prevent abortion, and men get to masturbate all they want,
    that's a war on women.

    What else could it be but a war on women ?
    It's not democratic legislatures that are passing these laws or democratic governors who are signing these laws... It's republican legislatures and republican governors.
    That's a republican war on women.

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    Re: Mitt Romney’s ‘92 Percent’ Lie

    Quote Originally Posted by curious1111 View Post
    i cant get viagra paid for by anyone

    my wife got everything for free

    has that changed
    If the republican desires (under pressure from the Catholic Church) have their way, your wife will get nothing free and will have to pay for any care for her lady parts on a separate insurance policy or out of pocket.

    That's what the legislatures are fighting for--
    1) the right of a boss to deny your wife a job for being a loose scarlet lady on birth control
    2) no insurance coverage for women's hormonal needs because that's birth control (or might be)
    3) no coverage at any clinic for pap smears, mammograms, yeast infections or those other things you never learned about lady parts

    screw your wife - vote republican
    “They also call it the Winged Isle. Some say it is because the island, if seen from above, would look like butterfly wings. And I do not know the truth of it.” Then, “ ‘And what is truth?’ said jesting Pilate.” From: The Truth Is A Cave In The Black Mountains by Neil Gaiman.

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    He will, as for Viagra, the gal who lives next door is an ER nurse, she was telling my son and I about all the cases that have been coming in to the ER were the guy usually in his 50's has had an erection for over 4 hours and is looking for help.

    The ER nurse will give him a shot of Adrenaline in the penis.

    Bon Appetit

    But, I guess its better then getting the pill stuck in your throat, all you get there is a stiff neck.


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    Quote Originally Posted by curious1111 View Post
    i cant get viagra paid for by anyone

    my wife got everything for free

    has that changed
    That is what some people here would like to have you believe. Should this post be in a different thread?
    Last edited by Mac; 04-19-2012 at 04:28 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riverwind View Post
    He will, as for Viagra, the gal who lives next door is an ER nurse, she was telling my son and I about all the cases that have been coming in to the ER were the guy usually in his 50's has had an erection for over 4 hours and is looking for help.

    The ER nurse will give him a shot of Adrenaline in the penis.

    Bon Appetit

    But, I guess its better then getting the pill stuck in your throat, all you get there is a stiff neck.


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    Should this post be in a different thread?
    Last edited by Mac; 04-19-2012 at 04:28 AM.
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