Vaudeville was "GOOD THEATER"
NOT scripted, well, not really... The same corny act, town after town, each place a new place and each crowd a new crowd.
The Republican Convention, if indeed a theater, will see the ushers leading the disruptive out the door...
...in handcuffs.
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Re: Dr. Ron Paul, 2012?
The RNC does not recognize State laws regarding delegates bound to vote this way or that.
http://reason.com/blog/2012/05/11/ar...s-bound-at-all
" . . . In Utah, during the 2008 GOP Nomination process, a delegate refused to vote with the state's primary winner, John McCain. The Republican National Convention Legal Counsel commented with this statement
“Jennifer Sheehan, Legal Counsel for the RNC, plainly stated in a letter to Nancy Lord, Utah National Committeewoman, several weeks before the convention, 'The RNC does not recognize a state's binding of national delegates, but considers each delegate a free agent who can vote for whoever they choose.'” . . . "
Looks like some late summer entertainment is in store for us at the GOP convention.
Looks like a replay of the Democratic Convention in Chicago in 1968...
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If you remember the last conventions of both parties, they did not air the voting, only told us the results.
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Re: Dr. Ron Paul, 2012?
It did not matter last time.
This is a different time
oops, it's a different time now too.
But that was then.
And so it goes.
If you know what I mean.
There was nothing contentious at either convention.
Both parties sought that pre convention unity appearance.
This time the GOP will not get that pre convention look of unity, unless Romney becomes a "Paulist".
From Romney's record, it is possible.
Moi
I look forward to a raucous GOP convention.
You could be right, on both accounts.
The Ron Paul people did their work here in Minnesota and are going with all the delegates. This may not please the Romney people but I still see the anybody but Mitt people of the GOP out there and I just don't think he is Christian enough, conservative enough, committed to their cause enough for them to really support this guy.
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Originally Posted by moi621
It did not matter last time.
This is a different time
oops, it's a different time now too.
But that was then.
And so it goes.
If you know what I mean.
There was nothing contentious at either convention.
Both parties sought that pre convention unity appearance.
This time the GOP will not get that pre convention look of unity, unless Romney becomes a "Paulist".
From Romney's record, it is possible.
Moi
I look forward to a raucous GOP convention.Perhaps contention is a GOOD thing to have at the GOP convention. If they can keep Romney reciting the "Crazy Bastard's Mantras" maybe we will realize that he REALLY IS a crazy bastard, just like the rest of 'em...
Anything to help Obama.
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With The barker at his side Romney now has all the votes he needs to get the GOP nomination. It happened in Vegas its a crap shoot I know but its the best the GOP has. Ron Paul is no longer needed or necessary to this process. Of course the Barker still wants to see proof that the President was born in the USA, what a buffoon.
As I said in a previous post, "Paul, will only have a word it they decide to let him and even that will be scripted".
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Put a fork in him he is done.
He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.
Edmund Burke
Another thought just came to me, its really not covered by any of the current posts but it kind of fits here.
Remember back when Arnold was the Governator, the GOP favorite in this Country? Remember there was talk about changing the constitution to allow Naturalized Citizens to become president? Now the Tea Party wants to change the constitution to demand that both parents be born in the USA after all we sure don't want another questionable person in their "WHITE" house. Use the Carnival Barker for the poster child on what is right with America.
Comments, MOI? remember when?
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He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.
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Moi,
California is now not needed (again) to decide the candidate for the republican party.
Will California be needed in the general election or will there be a spoiler state like Florida?
California is needed it has 55 electoral votes, they will again go with the Democrats, remember that 270 are needed and California is the single biggest prize. The represent just over 20% of the total needed, its a big prize. But you are correct in that in the nominating process its a non factor.
Until California moves its elections back to March or we pass a constitutional amendment that states that no primary or other caucuses can start for president until a date, lets say July 25th of the election year, we will have this problem, add that campaign season does not start the day after the election and they just might get something done.
But hey, we have a different system then any other country, here Campaign Season is all year every year, with the outs telling us why they would do a much better job then those in office and the in's telling us how much better it is now they they are in. AND when all else fails blame the other side, even if they had nothing to do with it.
Example, next door in Minnesota they just passed a bill to build a new football stadium for the Vikings. This was republican led as they own both houses but sense it raised taxes and a tax burden on the good people next door for the next 30 years, they are already blaming the Governor who is a Democrat.
BTW just about everybody voted for the bill on both sides of the isle.
This is an example of Welfare for the rich getting tax dollars to build him a sports stadium for a billionaire owner so million dollar players can play off the backs of people making 30k a year, people that can't even afford a ticket to the lousy game.
You know I don't like the Cowboys or Jerry Jones who owns them but at least when he built a stadium he used his own money.
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He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
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Rachel Maddow raged against GOP candidate Mitt Romney and birther extraordinaire Donald Trump on Tuesday. Maddow, who reported the breaking news that Romney officially secured the Republican nomination for president with his win in the Texas primary, criticized the GOP candidate for spending the historic night attending a fundraiser with Trump in Las Vegas.
Trump made multiple television appearances this week in which he argued against the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate. On Tuesday's "Situation Room," host Wolf Blitzer called out Trump for continuously arguing in favor of birther conspiracy theories.
Maddow said that Trump, who spent much of this time last year spewing what she called "brain-curdling, wallow, annihilistic, nativistic, celebrity-driven verbal upchuck," put his birther crusade to rest after Obama released his birth certificate in April of last year.
Maddow called Trump's "little birther moment in the spotlight" humiliating for him and also for "anybody who wasted the firing of even a single neuron listening to [Trump]."
She then attributed Trump's return to the Republican political stage to Romney, and played clips of Trump's recent media appearances, in which the "Celebrity Apprentice" host continued to argue against the authenticity of Obama's birth certificate. According to Maddow, Romney made Trump a "centerpiece" of his campaign and has now "punted" to the American public.
"Now we have to figure out about ourselves if we are the type of country where you gain more votes than you lose by associating yourself with an insane conspiracy theory like this," Maddow said. "If you are Mitt Romney, apparently you really think this is the kind of country where this will earn you votes. So you do the Donald Trump fundraiser...and you come up with some way to look at yourself in the mirror and hope that history forgives you."
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Late last week Mitt Romney’s campaign unveiled its latest fundraising gambit: Donate just $3 and you are eligible to have dinner with reality star Donald Trump — and, oh, yeah, the former Massachusetts governor will be there, too.“Donate today and you are eligible for a chance to win: Airport transportation in the Trump vehicle;” a “stay at the Trump International Hotel & Tower New York;” a chance to “tour the Celebrity Apprentice Boardroom;” and an opportunity to “dine with Donald Trump and Mitt Romney,” reads the message on the Romney campaign Web site.
But wait, there’s more! Romney will also join Trump tonight in Las Vegas at a fundraiser.
All of this Trump talk begs a simple question: Why is Romney associating himself with a man who is the public face of the debunked idea that President Obama wasn’t born in the United States and, perhaps more importantly, a man whose sole principle in life is self-promotion?
The Obama campaign quickly sought to make political hay out of the Trump-Romney connection.
“Mitt Romney’s continued embrace of Donald Trump and refusal to condemn his disgraceful conspiracy theories demonstrates his complete lack of moral leadership,:” said deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter. .”If Mitt Romney lacks the backbone to stand up to a charlatan like Donald Trump because he’s so concerned about lining his campaign’s pockets, what does that say about the kind of President he would be?”
The Romney team tried to downplay the Trump tie. “Governor Romney has said repeatedly that he believes President Obama was born in the United States,” said spokeswoman Andrea Saul. “The Democrats can talk about Donald Trump all they want — Mitt Romney is going to talk about jobs and how we can get our economy moving again.”
The argument forwarded by defenders of the Romney-Trump alliance is centered on two ideas: money and the base.
On the money front, these defenders argue that Trump’s celebrity brings in a different kind of donor — including precious small dollar givers — that Romney might not otherwise attract. (The fact that the donation point — $3 — is so low is indicative of the belief within Romney finance world that Trump does have appeal among these small dollar donors.)
In regards to the base, Christian Broadcasting Network’s David Brody laid out the argument this way:
“Associating with Donald Trump gives Mitt Romney a way of being brash without being brash. Trump is popular with a certain portion of the GOP, the portion that Romney doesn’t connect with. Trump’s bravado is not necessarily a bad thing for Romney because it connects him to a flamethrower and his audience without having to throw the flames himself.”
True enough — on both fronts.
But, dig a little deeper and it becomes more difficult to understand how the benefits of aligning with Trump outweigh the costs.
In terms of money, does anyone really think that Romney is going to have trouble raising the cash he needs to be competitive with President Obama? In April alone, Romney and the Republican National Committee collected more than $40 million — roughly the same amount Obama and the Democratic National Committee brought in last month.
There’s no doubt that Trump can help at the margins in terms of raising money but with Romney/RNC expected to collect north of $800 million for this election, cash isn’t going to be a problem for the nominee.
When it comes to speaking directly to the base, it’s absolutely true that Trump’s brashness is more appealing than Romney’s stuffed-shirt business pragmatism.
But, poll after poll suggests that the conservative base of the party quickly aligned behind Romney once it became clear he was the nominee. The simple reality is that while Romney makes very few conservative hearts go pitter patter, the base of the Republican party so dislikes/distrusts President Obama that they are going to be with whoever offers an alternative to the current occupant of the White House.
Romney’s task is not then primarily to unify his base but rather to reach out to independents. And, polling suggests Trump won’t help in that regard. In a December 2011 Washington Post-ABC News poll, 41 percent of independents had a favorable opinion of Trump while 47 percent saw him in an unfavorable light. And in a January Post-Pew poll, more than a quarter of people (26 percent) said a Trump endorsement would make them less likely to support a candidate while just eight percent said it would make them more likely.
The best argument we have heard for Romney’s recent embrace of Trump is that when the Donald speaks, the media covers it. He has a microphone and so you’d rather have him in the fold than acting as a free radical. (That’s the classic “best of a bad situation” argument.)
Even still, it seems like too risky a gamble for Romney to associate with Trump. Regardless of whether Trump is allied with Romney or not, Trump’s first, second and third concern is and always will be what is good for him.
Trump is, at this point in his life, largely an entertainer and a celebrity. He goes where the attention is. (Does anyone really believe that Trump thinks President Obama wasn’t born in the United States?) In other words, Trump will be with Romney until he decides it is no longer advantageous for him to be with Romney.
Romney is playing by the rules of the game for a politician. Trump has no concern — and almost certainly disdains — those same rules. Allying yourself with someone who is playing by an entirely different set of rules (or no rules whatsoever) is a very dangerous game.
Case in point: Trump tweeted this morning that “.@BarackObama is practically begging @MittRomney to disavow the place of birth movement, he is afraid of it and for good reason. He keeps using @SenJohnMcCain as an example, however, @SenJohnMcCain lost the election. Don’t let it happen again.”
And on CNBC this morning, Trump had this to say: “His mother was never in the hospital, they don’t know which hospital it was, his grandmother said he was born in Kenya. It all wouldn’t matter except if you’re born in a foreign country.”
So, that happened.
Democrats are already working to take advantage of the Romney-Trump link and you can bet that if The Donald makes any other impolitic comments between now and November (and he almost certainly will), the Obama campaign will try to make Romney answerable for them.
White House spokesman Jay Carney called the chatter about President Obama’s birth certificate a “ridiculous distraction” at his daily press conference today.
When it comes to Romney’s gamble on Trump, we’re with conservative columnist George F. Will. Said Will over the weekend on ABC’s “This Week”: “What voter is going to vote for him because he’s seen with Donald Trump? The cost of appearing with this bloviating ignoramus is obvious, it seems to me.”
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by Howard Kurtz May 29, 2012 3:09 PM EDT
They're raising money together, but The Donald brings a little baggage.
Mitt Romney seems to be giving Donald Trump a political bear hug just at the time when the TV impresario is getting back into the birther business.
Someone please explain to me how this makes sense.
It was just over a year ago that President Obama was mocking The Donald at the White House Correspondents Dinner after releasing his long-form Hawaii birth certificate. Not long after that, Trump dropped his brief flirtation with seeking the GOP nomination and re-upped with Celebrity Apprentice.
Ann Romney looks on as Donald Trump and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney shake hands during a news conference held by Trump to endorse Mitt for president (Ethan Miller / Getty Images)
Trump’s a smart guy and a master showman; I can’t for the life of me figure out why he keeps beating this dead horse. It’s not like he can’t attract attention otherwise. But the strange crusade creates something of a dilemma for Romney, though he’s trying his best to duck it.
The unofficial Republican nominee sidestepped the birther question on Monday with this nonanswer: “You know, I don't agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don't all agree with everything I believe in. But I need to get 50.1 percent or more and I'm appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people.”
Now you might think Trump would tamp down the birther talk to help Team Romney, now that he’s part of a pair of Mitt fundraisers, the first one of them Tuesday night. But you would be wrong.
“Nothing’s changed my mind” on the issue, Trump told CNBC. “And by the way, you know, you have a huge group of people. I walk down the street and people are screaming, ‘Please don’t give that up.’ Look--a publisher came out last week and had a statement about Obama given by them to Obama when he was doing a book as a young man a number of years ago in the ’90s: ‘Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia.’”
Um, it was Obama's literary agent, and the guy who did it says: "This was nothing more than a factchecking error by me—an agency assistant at the time." Drat!
“I don’t consider myself birther or not birther, but there are some major questions here that the press doesn’t want to cover,” Trump later added. “Now, if that were somebody else they’d be covering it and they’d be throwing people out of office, but they don’t want to cover it.”
Ah, it’s the media’s fault.
Here’s the problem: This birtherism stuff is crazy, completely unsupported by such inconvenient truths as birth announcements in two Hawaii newspapers back in 1961. So Romney is choosing to join hands with a man who is pushing a discredited conspiracy theory. It’s perfectly fair for reporters to ask Romney about that. And by the way, why doesn’t he just say he completely disagrees with Trump on that issue? The primary battle is over and he no longer needs to appeal to the party’s fringe element.
Trump could be, to put it mildly, a colorful spokesman for a bland campaign, though he’d probably wander off-message pretty regularly. Mitt and Donald have undoubtedly bonded on some rich-guy level. But the bromance may be more trouble than it’s worth unless Romney can come up with a better answer to the inevitable question.
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ANYBODY with ANY common sense whatsoever would support Dr. Ron Paul now over Mitt Romney.
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California, Romney vs Obama has Obama up by 15% I believe.
The Mitt would have to dedicate a team to the California campaign to make a dent.
It would be a strategic move to divert Obama attention to California and away from Ohio & Florida.
The question is if the GOP convention will pander to the Paulist or ignore them.
I see a bigger threat to a Romney victory created by ignoring the Paulist.
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You know, I have said this before and now it looks like its more true every day, Mitt will say and do anything to be elected. He has no moral fiber. So just why does he want the worst job in the world? WHY, what does he think he can do? my nose itches every time I hear a person running for office talk out of the side of his mouth, a single thought always comes to mind, "follow the money".
So with Mitt, why does he want to be president? follow the money. Lets see, does he care about people? he says he does, but in business he fired thousands, he has said he would fire 100,000 federal workers to hire 100,000 cops. why? why cops? He has said he would not have gone after Bin Laden but he would have let GM and Chrysler go under, more jobs. So I ask, WHAT IS HIS MOTIVE?
His whole life its been about personal wealth.
He is part of that 1%, the tea party would like to do away with capital gains tax and inheritance tax and lower the tax rate of the 1% to 25% from 35%. So how would this effect Mitt?
he would no longer pay any tax, he would keep 100% of that 43 million he made last year and if he died, his family would not pay one dime in tax, he has already worked how to get his sons as much money as he can without paying a penilty.
I have not herd him say anything except he wanted to get this economy going again. That is it, but who is he going to fire to get it done, more importantly how will it help him personally? Has anybody herd him say how he was going to do this?
He seems to duck every other issue, so just what does he stand for?
So I ask this question to all of you,
1. Do you think Obama would ever sign into law a bill that would do away with capital gains, death tax, and lower income tax for the rich?
2. Same question for Mitt?
3. more importantly, if those taxes are eliminated who picks up the bill?
When in doubt, follow the money.
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Re: Dr. Ron Paul, 2012?
Did I miss the Dr. Paul reference, topically speaking.
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