Dr. Ron Paul, 2012?

[Riverwind]

Oops, he did it again.
Won one that will be overlooked as no biggie unless is was a media approved candidate.

http://news.yahoo.com/ron-paul-decla...034241472.html
Ron Paul declared winner of Illinois Republican straw poll
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Ron Paul was declared the winner on Saturday of a weeklong Republican presidential straw poll in Democratic President Barack Obama's home state of Illinois.

Texas Congressman Paul won 52 percent of the combined 3,649 online and in-person votes cast between October 29 and Saturday evening. He won 66.5 percent of the votes cast over the Internet and 8 percent of those cast in person.

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney earned 7 percent of the online votes cast and 35 percent of the in-person votes, winning the most in-person votes cast at 22 locations, the party said.

Businessman Herman Cain won 15 percent of the online vote and 29 percent of the in-person vote.

Romney's and Cain's combined totals were not immediately announced.

Each voter was required to make a $5 contribution to the Illinois Republican Party to cover costs of the straw poll and to support state and local Republican candidates.

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They can't all be California. We have the open primary for the first time. Should be fun.

Moi

Moi, the population of Illinois is 12,910,409 - Jul 2009 of that 3,649 people voted in a straw poll, Moi you have wasted more space then the total number of people that voted in this straw poll is even worth.

3,649 of 12,910,409 as of 2009 Lets put this in perspective.

This is pissing in the wind.

River

[moi621]

This is pissing in the wind.

River

Not if you are Perry, Cain, The Mitt, or ABP (anybody but, Paul).
The media would hype it. Say it ain't so!

Moi

[punkypink]

This is just a statement on my part, its NOT directed at Punky, just a general statement ( Or Rant if you like ).



To my fellow citizens of the US of A, THIS is part of our problem. We have a nation where citizens of OTHER nations believe THEY should decide how we should live. People from all over the planet piss and whine about how the US tries to influence other countries ( or invaded them ), yet they flow out of their pie-holes constantly about OUR elected reps and our nation. Double Standard maybe?

This is why I like forums that have some input from other countries citizens. It makes me proud to know I have liberties and many more choices then other nations do and WHY its important to get involved in the process we have in representation. It makes me feel good that other nations are so envious of what we have, THEY have to feel as if they are involved with ANYTHING we might do.

I wonder who they cast a ballot for in ANY of our elections.. Oh yeah, they cant.

It isn't envy so much as it is pointing out the awful double standards that you guys will on one hand talk about human rights and on the other, support people who're anti-gays etc as long as you stand to gain monetarily. That's awful really. If you call gay marriage being illegal in some states and the refusal to recognise trans people for their identified gender as "liberties" in the states you're really living in delusion. You might as well just start chanting "USA USA USA" as an argument for why you're so great, it contains just about as much logic as what you've just said, and reflects upon your USA-centric views too. Surprise, you guys are nowhere the country with the most liberties or even human rights. Stop bullshitting yourself.

[Riverwind]

Not if you are Perry, Cain, The Mitt, or ABP (anybody but, Paul).
The media would hype it. Say it ain't so!

Moi

Moi, It ain't so!

Moi, It was meaningless!

Moi,


River

[Riverwind]

It isn't envy so much as it is pointing out the awful double standards that you guys will on one hand talk about human rights and on the other, support people who're anti-gays etc as long as you stand to gain monetarily. That's awful really. If you call gay marriage being illegal in some states and the refusal to recognise trans people for their identified gender as "liberties" in the states you're really living in delusion. You might as well just start chanting "USA USA USA" as an argument for why you're so great, it contains just about as much logic as what you've just said, and reflects upon your USA-centric views too. Surprise, you guys are nowhere the country with the most liberties or even human rights. Stop bullshitting yourself.

Don't judge everybody in the USA by the post you responded to, some of us actually believe in human rights for everybody, we mostly call ourselves Democrats.


River

[nobodyspecial]

It isn't envy so much as it is pointing out the awful double standards that you guys will on one hand talk about human rights and on the other, support people who're anti-gays etc as long as you stand to gain monetarily. That's awful really.

And no-where did I state anything about gays, transexuals, people whom are black, green, blue or grey with polka-dots. The strawmen your creating here show how despoerate you are willing to be to seem ' relevant '. You make comments liek these :

"and u guys are leading the world? we're sooo screwed."

"Conservatives are the people who hold back society from becoming better in every way. Every step of the way it's "fear fear fear whine whine whine" since the dawn of time, whenever there has been any social progress needed like anti-slavery, racial rights, women's rights, gay rights. thank goodness some of us are well ahead of the curve."

.. making people whom you dont even know out to be evil and inhumane, and now you want to be ' accepted ' as a person whom wants to change gender?

Heres a clue: Put the political axe down, talk to others with some civility instead of being a Pitbull, and then maybe you will have a better seating at the table. Acceptance of your views holds better when people respect the individual whom is making the comment.

If you call gay marriage being illegal in some states and the refusal to recognise trans people for their identified gender as "liberties" in the states you're really living in delusion.

After YOUR comments, why should I care about your positions at all? Are you mad because I'm holding you to your OWN standards or are you going to write off my comment about your relevance ( of being able to vote in the US ) as some ' fear fear fear ' campaign. Its quite a FACT that citizens of the UK dont vote in US elections and those in the US dont vote in UK elections.

Drop the hate for a change, people might like you better for it. You want acceptance, earn it, dont demand it.

You might as well just start chanting "USA USA USA" as an argument for why you're so great, it contains just about as much logic as what you've just said, and reflects upon your USA-centric views too. Surprise, you guys are nowhere the country with the most liberties or even human rights. Stop bullshitting yourself.

Show me where I claimed ANYTHING about the US having the lead in human/civil rights? Its just an entity you tossed in to try and support your hate filled rant. Without that hate, you and many others dont have much and many are denied what you are screaming about due to YOUR actions, not someone elses.

Keep your head in the sand. Nobody will stop you. You have the liberty to do such.

Have a good day!
Al.

[Dave]

Nobodyspecial,
what you don't understand is that after years of being called Sinful and Sodomite and being "gays, lesbians and transgendered are psychologically deviant and in need of cures," or being dog-fuckers or being second class citizens... we don't stand for letting someone rely on those old politicians and lies and arguments.

So we might be pitbulls and seem angry when you start with the old arguments.
IT's not personal to you... No one wants to go back to being second class and scorned. That's what Republicans still want to do.

[A-1]

Oh man...

...and the TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES are leading the Republicans... they are SOOOO SCREWED!

[Riverwind]

Nobodyspecial, read the Merman Cain thread, I left you a message that you must heed.

River

[nobodyspecial]

Nobodyspecial,
what you don't understand is that after years of being called Sinful and Sodomite and being "gays, lesbians and transgendered are psychologically deviant and in need of cures," or being dog-fuckers or being second class citizens... we don't stand for letting someone rely on those old politicians and lies and arguments.

Where have *I* done any such thing? YOU and others are holding people accountable for things they havent done. I dont care whom sleeps with whom, its not my business nor my bedroom.

YOU apparently feel its ' ok ' to just hold people accountable for someone elses past actions. That is a serious flaw in ones personality and judgement to do such.

You put in the concept of ' we dont stand for it ', so you feel the need to gang up on others? Is that the ONLY way you can get your point across? Your complaining about some peoples past actions and here you are in the present doing the same damn thing. Does it make you feel empowered to use the term ' We ' as if your speaking for the masses?

So we might be pitbulls and seem angry when you start with the old arguments.
IT's not personal to you... No one wants to go back to being second class and scorned. That's what Republicans still want to do.

Thats what ' republicans ', or ' conservatives '.. are you THAT angered a person that your so bent on hatred? If so, you might seek some help from a qualified individual. Seriously!

When you and Punky can get off your hate-kick , maybe then I might actually listen to what you have to say as being more then just ' vile bullshit '. Have some consideration for others instead of ' bashing ' for a change. If its to much to ask you and your ' kind ' to be civil, It will greatly demonstrate why OUR nation is so divided and why a lot of bad things will happen in the future.

[Slammr]

Thats what ' republicans ', or ' conservatives '.. are you THAT angered a person that your so bent on hatred? If so, you might seek some help from a qualified individual. Seriously!

When you and Punky can get off your hate-kick , maybe then I might actually listen to what you have to say as being more then just ' vile bullshit '. Have some consideration for others instead of ' bashing ' for a change. If its to much to ask you and your ' kind ' to be civil, It will greatly demonstrate why OUR nation is so divided and why a lot of bad things will happen in the future.

I'm fed up with this jerk. It's about time to hit the "Ban" button on him, isn't it? He's gone way past discussion in his posts.

[Dave]

Actually, It's Rick Santorum (don't google me Santorum) that is still running on bestiality.

It's those DOMA supprters that I object to.

It's the "Prop 8 haters" that want to make homos and lezzies second class citizens that I dislike.

I don't let them get away with it and I won't stand for anyone else trying to get away with it.

Now as for your comment:
"YOU apparently feel its ' ok ' to just hold people accountable for someone elses past actions. That is a serious flaw in ones personality and judgement to do such."

FLAW? Hell no. Just a warning. I punch back and I punch back hard. But I don't say that your personality is seriously flawed. I say you are wrong and point out why.

Remember, some of the points you made, I heard first from Phyllis Schafly and those "gay-changing religious preachers who meet boys on the side" and Santorum for his doggie-doodle nonsense. and that gays cause hurricanes and earthquakes.
As for a defense of marriage -- conservatives ought to look to Newt Gingrich for marital values (three times remarried, twice divorced), Kim Kardashian's 17 million virginal extravaganza, Joe Wilson's child support... etc...
If you lie down with dogs you get fleas.
I don't want your fleas.

Now calm down and take a break. Go read the rest of the board. Discuss a movie. Help someone with their problems. Find out why they want to do without their balls or that "T" stuff. Take a break from politics and get to know people.

[punkypink]

I'm fed up with this jerk. It's about time to hit the "Ban" button on him, isn't it? He's gone way past discussion in his posts.

I sure as hell wouldn't miss him. Acceptance for being LGBT has to be earned? I can see why he says the sort of nonsesne he says now. Something that should be given as a basic right, in his eyes, needs to be earned. I suppose women and coloureds had to earn acceptance too. Probably anyone who is not white heterosexual and male are inferior in his eyes, hence we have to earn something as basic a part of human rights as acceptance, rather than being able to demand something that should have been given without demand anyway. Something tells me he does not belong here on the EA.

[moi621]

Oh C'mon Libs. Time to demonstrate that broad mindedness YOU advocate.

I thought the upload could have been better but, y'know I sense the "left" on Board becoming more and more like the entrenched, uncompromising GOP they complain about. Unable to discuss without going "personal".
Do we really want an "all one opinion Board?". How dull,, like a world without Virginia and Santa Claus.

Hope the banning advocates give it some hard thought. My technique is just not to read some uploads. Just skip them.

So c'mon self ID'ed Liberals. Like the Christians I just request you act the role you ID. And liberals are not close minded as unwilling to respectfully discuss an issue. Are they?

Moi
Populist

[Riverwind]

I have had it, I warned him about personal insults and he just did not understand, as for nobodyspecial he was that nobody and he is gone Bye bye.

He and anybody else who wants to come in our house and throw eggs at everybody be warned, I will ban you too.

I am really tired of the new people who have come in lately, they think its there right and responsibility to bash members long standing on this site, I will not have any more of it.

River