Hey BOBOVER3! HR 4646, What do you think of it?

[moi621]

FYI
Harry Truman was sufficiently poor upon retirement they had to pension the poor ex-President.
Hard to find any other Presidents who were, poor upon retirement.
Moi
I remember being unhappy with the old man's pro Viet Nam behavior. Well he was reliving, Korea.

[moi621]

Moi, government is always trickle-down, regardless of party or beliefs. It can't be anything else, because it is the behemoth that giveth and taketh. Whatever it gives, it gives from the top.

Trickle-up can only be from the people and businesses that create wealth and provide for everyone's needs. These are the people and businesses that make things and do things. If you want trickle-up, then you've got to stop focusing on government, except as an obstacle.

We need regulation to prevent abuse, and we need infrastructure, but when government seeks to direct the economy, it always destroys. A few bureaucrats can never know what's needed and wanted, no matter how clever they are and how well intentioned. Only the market - the collective intelligence of society - knows. So let the government enforce contracts and keep companies from putting poison in baby food; let the government build roads and dams. But when government tries to tell the people what's best for them, and puts someone's pet cause above the popular will, then we've arrived at tyranny and soon thereafter, poverty. A century's experience with socialism teaches us this.

Trickle-up can't be achieved through government, except by the prudent limitation of government. That's why our Founders wrote a Constitution.

Remember, Bob3
in the before time.
Americans made their coffee with Percolators.
The hot water came from below, forced up a tube and dripped over a basket of coffee.
Trickle down economics is what we have.
Percolate up economics is what FDR's early programs were based. Likewise, William Jennings Bryan and the silver movement as to create more currency to favor the hard laboring American.
PERCOLATE UP mortgage relief would be to the homeowner and not the bank that committed the foul. Any mortgage the government could have purchased would have risen in market price as to pay back the money and administrative costs in ten years if some arrangement with the occupant could not me reached. In ten years the government would be out of the real estate business and more people would have been able to stay in their homes.
Percolate Up, like the old American coffee makers.
Not Trickle Up like a one hundred dollar tax relief to the
middle class = middle class tax relief.

[Mac]

Have you ever listened to the president? ever? If you had you would have answered your own question.

Yes the president is a millionaire, self made. And he has call for people making over 250K a year to pay more tax, yes his pay tax scale. This is not an exact quote but he said people that make the money we do should pay more. You would have known this if you listened to him speak. I know its hard for you, and it sure is different from listening to him over the last one we had, this one actually speaks English.

River

Yes, I have listened to him many times. I have also spent much time looking at several of his policy proposals.

We have vastly different opinions of him and his intentions for our country. For the sake of the country, I hope that I am wrong about his intentions. In the meantime, I hope for a better balance of power in both the senate and house of representatives in the November election. However, I can't do much to make that happen. My current congressman is a republican and neither of my senators is up for reelection.

[A-1]

Yes, I have listened to him many times. I have also spent much time looking at several of his policy proposals.

We have vastly different opinions of him and his intentions for our country. For the sake of the country, I hope that I am wrong about his intentions. In the meantime, I hope for a better balance of power in both the senate and house of representatives in the November election. However, I can't do much to make that happen. My current congressman is a republican and neither of my senators is up for reelection.

Don't worry, Mac, you are...

[A-1]

Here is yet another thread from the past that we may bring forward.

Please, Cainanite, consider this closely before you close it. It has some vintage Bob/3 posting that is priceless. Let us continue to discuss how the REPUBLICANS really muck up the pool by floating literary imitation Baby Ruth candy bars that are neither candy nor edible.

...Let the discussion continue...

[Riverwind]

A-1, at this point, you're being tendentious to refuse to notice the distinctions among different conservative camps.

For the umpteenth time: the religious right wants to foist its moral beliefs on the country; foreign policy hawks want to build an American empire; fiscal hawks favor big business and a balanced budget; then there's the Tea Party, which you insist on misreading.

We (I) are disgusted by the religious right, want a low-profile non-military foreign policy, and favor entrepreneurs over big business. We believe in the American tradition of liberty and Constitutional government, which prohibits a government in the service of religion; we believe in a foreign policy that puts the interests of the American people first, and that seeks only necessary self-defense, not empire; we believe in free enterprise and the free market, and want to invest in growing American business and invention, not protecting a politically-favored few at the expense of the people.

Anyone familiar with our political landscape recognizes these distinctions. You're being deliberately obtuse if you insist on holding the Tea Party accountable for the idiocies of the religious right, which are as repugnant to us as to you. I'd remind you that the Democratic Party is no monolith, and also contains warring factions. We of the Tea Party would truly allow ourselves to be used if we failed to speak out, and supported RINOs (what Moi would call "corporate centrists") or the policies of the Democrats who control Congress, many of which seem to us to be dangerously totalitarian.

Just curious Bob, do you still see the Tea Party the same way? Because I think your Tea Party has been highjacked.

Yes this thread is worth keeping open.

River