There's Always The Weather

[moi621]

Its still snowing, we are at least 18 inches maybe more.

I love the snow, you go outside and everything is quite and still, its wonderful.

River

Such beauty is nice to visit.
I use to visit friends after I left Milwaukee to share a week or so of White Winter.
But even in a warm house cold seemed to creep into the bones after a while. Red stiff joints required I return to Paradise.
The day after an ice storm is the prettiest sight.
Moi
The cold was handy to cool down fresh hot ox tail soup for quick fat solidification and removal. The diameter of thawed snow around the pot was so circular.

Sunny, bitter 50F.
First baby apricots appearing before cherries that are in early blossom along with Fuji Apple.
Something is eating my sprouting sweet shelling peas

[Riverwind]

Sky is now clear, stars out, 20deg or so, nice a crisp, tomorrow if it warms up to 30 or so it will be shorts and t-shirt weather. Last week it got in to the 50's thought I might need to turn on the AC.

River

[moi621]

Is there such a thing as sleepy weather?
If so, it was so today.
Even the 's are sleeping a lot today.
Moi
<yawn>

[sag111]

I think this is the coolest weather we have had in a long time.We usually have the almond blossoms out at this time but not this year.And if they do open it is to cold for the bees to work them.This dang global warming is going to freeze me to death before I get warmed up enough to enjoy it. hmmm another cold storm for this week seriously I am going to get a heater on my Kawasaki.

[Riverwind]

I am not tired of old man winter yet and the days are getting much longer, December is a lot worse then February we have almost 2 more hours of daylight at this time of the year, and this weekend we are getting another storm to add to the 2 feet of snow we just got.

Sag my friend, we don't plant in the ground until May 15th, plant earlier then that and you stand a chance that a freeze will kill your garden.

River

[Dave]

I think this is the coolest weather we have had in a long time.We usually have the almond blossoms out at this time but not this year.And if they do open it is to cold for the bees to work them.This dang global warming is going to freeze me to death before I get warmed up enough to enjoy it. hmmm another cold storm for this week seriously I am going to get a heater on my Kawasaki.

you really just don't understand science, do you? AS a scientist I think I find that obnoxious when you keep insisting that apples are oranges and beets are carrots. It's like trying to milk the bull rather than the cow...

day to day is WEATHER and it happens on your head and house and car...

year to year is CLIMATE and it happens worldwide.

2010 was a hot year. The decade from 2001 to 2010 was hotter than any other decade in the record book. That includes 365 days of WEATHER...

I don't know what 2011 will be and neither will you because you have to compare it to the years past.

[moi621]

you really just don't understand science, do you? AS a scientist I think I find that obnoxious when you keep insisting that apples are oranges and beets are carrots. It's like trying to milk the bull rather than the cow...

day to day is WEATHER and it happens on your head and house and car...

year to year is CLIMATE and it happens worldwide.

2010 was a hot year. The decade from 2001 to 2010 was hotter than any other decade in the record book. That includes 365 days of WEATHER...

I don't know what 2011 will be and neither will you because you have to compare it to the years past.

Was it hot enough to graze cattle in Greenland as the Vikings did only 1K years ago?
Moi
How big do you suppose the polar ice cap was then?


Those who do not know history are
( )O( )'s

Hi Dave &

[moi621]

Cold and rain coming down the Pacific Coast and due to arrive to the O.C. Friday night. A short cold stormy one that will leave a lasting cold shadow.
NBC comforts Moi reporting of a major storm along the Midwest. Just when they dig out of that Winter Wonderland experience, Moi's Fri/Sat Storm should arrive.
Moi
So cold I look forward to that global warming

[sag111]

We might get snow on the Sacramento valley Friday night and that just dose not happen very often.I really dont understand what dave is talking about as I have never tried to milk an apple or what ever.Moi it looks like that snow is coming your way.

[moi621]

We might get snow on the Sacramento valley Friday night and that just dose not happen very often.I really dont understand what dave is talking about as I have never tried to milk an apple or what ever.Moi it looks like that snow is coming your way.

sag111, he is a Liberal.
He believes Your Sacramento Snow and my - no snow but getting closer, is the precursor to "Global Warming". Think of a sling shot effect. Our cold is just loading the spring for the more drastic warm up only a damned heretic would believe is not coming and not man made.
When the facts don't fit, make them part of your theory.

Little Ice Age Big Chill coming up on TV, History International. 2/25/11
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=...e4c0cc530c3619
Moi
Watch and pay attention to the warm up before the little ice age as made Greenland Green and Grapes grow in Vineland / Nova Scotia.

[moi621]

The Whole County of Orange,
aka "The O.C.
is under TWO Severe Weather Alerts.
Wind and Flash Flood.

Mac the Wolf in the county East of Orange should be in for some fun too. His turf is flat.

And we know what happens in California when it gets just an iddy bit wet. You'd think it was Christchurch, for gawd's sake.

As long as this EA member is able to get online, further persoanl weather survival reports will be forthcoming. Don't worry about Moi, I hear cats taste like rabbit, sweet chicken. (And they know I taste like meat).

Seems like the Lake effect is taking it out on Lake effect areas like Rochester and the East is generally getting a big dose of Winter Wonderland.
You guys look for my storm next week. Middle or end.
Enjoy!
Moi
Populist Weather Communicator

[gareth19]

Was it hot enough to graze cattle in Greenland as the Vikings did only 1K years ago?
Moi
How big do you suppose the polar ice cap was then?


Those who do not know history are
( )O( )'s

Hi Dave &

You are supposing that the stories about Greenland are factual. In point of fact the Grœnlendingasaga says specifically "Hann [Eirikr inn Rauði] gaf nafn landinu ok kallaði Grœnland, ok kvað menn þat myndu fýsu þangat farar, at landit ætti nafn gott." (He gave a name to the land and called [it] Greenland, and said men would want to journey there if the land possessed a good name.) That statement suggests that Greenland wasn't all that green in reality. Though some insist on the absolute veracity and integrity of Erik the Red, the reason he was in Greenland in the first place was that he had been exiled (outlawed) for antisocial behavior. We also read in the Grœnlendingasaga that there was a period of severe famine during the early years of Erik's settlement, not what you would expect from a lush dairy farm with abundant pasturage. While the sagas tell that Erik had 40 head of cattle, excavations have found his farmstead but no trace of the cattle; it would be very odd if no cow had ever been slaughtered in Greenland unless there were no kine there in the first place.

Moreover, the local conditions in Greenland (or western Europe) are not indicative of the global climate. The temperature of Greenland is dependent not on the icecap but on the Gulf Stream. The end of the Ice Age marked a general global warming, but western Europe was struck by three separate returns to near polar climate, the Younger Dryas, The Older Dryas and the Oldest Dryas, each of which is thought to have been a paradoxical response to global warming. As the temperatures in the northern hemisphere rose, the ice melted, forming large glacial lakes (the biggest of which was Lake Agassiz) when these lakes finally drained through Hudson's Bay into the north Atlantic, they lowered the salinity of the ocean water and thus reduced its heat capacity. Consequently, the Gulf Stream brought less warmth to western Europe (we must always remember that Paris and London are roughly at the same latitude as Labrador; the pilgrims were astonished at how bitter the New England winters were compared to the Gulf Stream-warmed British winters). Temporary El Niño-like conditions could have easily driven a more powerful Gulf Stream further north; drought in the midwest would have reduced the flow of the Mississippi thus increasing the salinity of the Gulf waters and consequently the heat capacity of the Gulf Stream.

In short, there is no reason to suppose that any temporary (and the Greenland and Vinland experiences were clearly of very limited duration and technologically and economically unsustainable) amelioration in the local climate of Greenland depended on a warmer global climate or on reduced ice caps.

Knowing history depends on being able to read and evaluate the primary sources.

[Dave]

>>If you read the entire article and the articles around the story, you will find that the "settlement" was a summer place used by migratory hunter/gatherers.
>>That's what I suspect was going on in Greenland.
>>


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41765680...ience-science/
WASHINGTON — Some 11,500 years ago one of America's earliest families laid the remains of a 3-year-old child to rest in their home in what is now Alaska. The discovery of that burial is shedding new light on the life and times of the early settlers who crossed from Asia to the New World, researchers report in
Friday's edition of the journal Science.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41765680...ience-science/

[moi621]

Greenland was sustainable for a while.
The cod fish were schooling farther north too in those years. The problem was that it had no forest, only recently being greened, and voyagers traveled west in search of lumber.
No doubt the Vikings were great propagandist and did exaggerate a bit.
But, analysis of bone fragments of Greenland Vikings documents the decline of nutrition from terrestrial protein being replaced by marine protein indicating grazing animals were becoming unsustainable and the sea was the source of dietary protein over generations. Then it got too cold for even that resource as the Vikings refused to learn from skraelings, survival techniques for colder climates. A record from one of their colonies indicates they tried to generously share milk with skraelings who could not digest the lactose, oh-oh, trouble. The milk was acquired from some grazing critter, such as a cow, goat, horse or lamb.
This warm up moved the European wine industry from France to England and was world wide as evidenced by peoples migrations around the world at this time such as the Anastazi leaving their cliff homes.
Moi
Stop Continental Drift

[Riverwind]

I think its time to turn of the smileys, its long overdue, they have suffered to much Moi abuse. Next will be color and fonts.


River