I Wonder

[Cainanite]

I grant you ground level Ozone O3 is diff from high altitude O3.
Maybe we should collect ground level O3 & pipe it up and release it.
Terraforming starts with Terra Control.
PM investment interest.

When I was still a kid, my dad had a car cleaning company. One of the interesting cleaning tools he had, was an ozone generator. It would electrically generate O3, and the ozone would absorb the odors of pretty much anything. To give you an idea of how effective it was, he bought it second hand from the city police department's crime lab. They would use it to eliminate odors from particularly nasty crime scenes. (Bodies left for days kinda-thing.)

It was dangerous. Despite the only thing it used to make the ozone was the available oxygen in a room, or trapped inside a car, what it pumped out was not breathable. Left overnight in a car, or sealed off in a room, it would kill whatever produced an odor. It would make a smoker's car smell like new. As a teenager I once accidentally flooded my car ( Meaning we had a flash flood, and I didn't see the dip in the road. What I thought was a puddle was more accurately, a small lake.) Even after I dried it all out, mildew smell had moved in to stay. One night with the ozone generator, and it smelled like new again.

The one thing I learned from seeing the ozone generator in operation, was that, though it is an easy process, it is very costly energy-wise. The generator could not be on any circuit with any other appliance.

I used to think (as a kid) that if we could build ozone generators large enough, we could patch the hole in the ozone layer. When I realized how much energy that would take, I grew up and dropped the fantasy. It was a childish fantasy after-all.

You'd have to find a way to collect the ozone at ground level, and transport it to the upper atmosphere at the poles, without consuming more energy than it is worth, or creating more pollutants than you are trying to clean up. If you can figure that out, and make it a profitable endeavor to boot, you'll win a Nobel Prize, and I'll certainly invest in that.

[moi621]

I wonder

Is , 's 21st Century fresh water reservoir?

I mean with global warming, what are they going to do with all that fresh, liquid, water?
Dump it in the ocean and stall the Japanese and Atlantic conveyor currents?
Is it Manifest Destiny that all that fresh water was kept in storage for "us", there.

Just asking?
For decades I have considered one term Democratic President James K. Polk my #1 favorite President.
So my conclusions have a logic.

Moi



And it is a matter of national security
that the oceanic thermal conveyor currents not be disturbed.

[moi621]

I wonder

Is it constitutional when a public right of way run by a toll road agency
that refuses to accept American currency.
One must "rent" a transponder from them and soon have an alternative of
registering licence plates and leaving a + account balance with them.

They make it difficult for anyone who is not a habitual toll way user to pay the fee.
No wonder revenues are down.
Regardless, is it constitutional for them to refuse American cash money as the toll on a public right of way?

Yes, they have the power.

Moi
Toll Road Avoidance in Practice
So that's why they called them "Freeways" eh River?

[Riverwind]

What are you talking about?????

Freeways are just that, a federally payed for public road, can never be a toll road, because it was built with federal tax dollars. Now states can build roads without federal dollars and can make them toll roads. it is not unusual for them to use a token over cash. The red line comes to mind.


River

[moi621]

I don't have a problem with them requiring correct change,
or don't expect change and pay over the amount due.
It is refusing cash money that makes me unhappy about the management of my public right of way.

When the California Freeways were built and over the years I don't think we appreciated the
FREE in FREEway. It was just a name. "Freeway".

Now the name makes sense witnessing a competing set of toll roads.
Economic infrastructure rationing.
Is it legal on a public right of way?

Moi

[A-1]

What are you talking about?????

Freeways are just that, a federally payed for public road, can never be a toll road, because it was built with federal tax dollars. Now states can build roads without federal dollars and can make them toll roads. it is not unusual for them to use a token over cash. The red line comes to mind.


River

I don't have a problem with them requiring correct change,
or don't expect change and pay over the amount due.
It is refusing cash money that makes me unhappy about the management of my public right of way.

When the California Freeways were built and over the years I don't think we appreciated the
FREE in FREEway. It was just a name. "Freeway".

Now the name makes sense witnessing a competing set of toll roads.
Economic infrastructure rationing.
Is it legal on a public right of way?

Moi

In Indiana Governor Daniels LEASED the Indiana Toll road to a Spanish investment company (from Spain) for 99 years. Is this what moi is hinting about?

[Riverwind]

Not sure and he lives in the south so what does he know, in northern California they have 4 bridges that cross over the bay into the City. You will pay for that right of passage going into the City from any and every one of them. You can use cash or buy a card and swipe it or put a tag on your car.

River

[moi621]

The San Francisco Bay area bridges are great examples that cash still works.

I object to the idea they can refuse cash.

[moi621]

I wonder

If the Higgs Boson did not exist,
would scientist need to create one?

They recently claimed they found it.
Probably it rolled off the turnip truck

Moi
Anti Higgs Boson
To be free of the physical world.

[kristoff]

I wonder

If the Higgs Boson did not exist,
would scientist need to create one?

They recently claimed they found it.
Probably it rolled off the turnip truck

Moi
Anti Higgs Boson
To be free of the physical world.

I wonder if Moi gets sand up his nose when he sticks his head in it?

[transward]

I wonder

If the Higgs Boson did not exist,
would scientist need to create one?

They recently claimed they found it.
Probably it rolled off the turnip truck

Moi
Anti Higgs Boson
To be free of the physical world.

I wonder if they had not dubbed it (for no good reason I can think of) the God Particle, would anyone be paying any attention? I have seen no one discussing why strange quarks are strange and what is charming about charmed quarks or how they differ from up and down quarks, or what you can glue with a gluon. Usually quantum mechanics doesn't get much play in the popular press.


Transward

[Dave]

I wonder

If the Higgs Boson did not exist,
would scientist need to create one?

Yes. That is what happened in reality.
There is something that completes the set of subatomic particles as described by the STANDARD MODEL and it is called (for better or worse) the Higgs BOson and it expresses the Higgs Field which is what we call gravity.

And I think calling it the "God Particle" is atrocious.

You heard the joke about the Higgs Boson that goes into a catholic church and asks a priest how he could have Mass without him.

you really have to think about that for it to be funny.

[Uncle Flo]

The San Francisco Bay area bridges are great examples that cash still works.

I object to the idea they can refuse cash.

There is nothing in U.S. law that compels anyone to accept U. S. currency in any amount at any time for any purpose. --FLO--

[transward]

There is nothing in U.S. law that compels anyone to accept U. S. currency in any amount at any time for any purpose. --FLO--

There is quite a bit in US law on the subject:

United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.
—31 U.S.C. § 5103

I am not enough of a lawyer to know how this relates to Moi's question. I would think tolls would be classed as a public charge.

Transward

[Riverwind]

I remember the old red line that was a street car system in LA when I was a kid, it used a token just bigger then a dime, with a star in the middle of it. Why I remember that I have no idea but I think it was because the conductors did not carry money. This is not unusual or outrageous as moi would suggest, it happens all the time. Bart uses a little paper credit type card that you pass through the system, you buy an amount and when you enter and exit the system it deducts the amount. Now you can buy your cards at the Bart stations but you can also send away for them if you wish.

Hence the statement you see often,

Agents do not carry money.


Sorry Moi, but maybe its time for you to get out more.



River