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I'm going to "come out" to my parents.

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Okay, I'm not coming out as gay to my parents. I'm coming out to them as Hypogonadal. I'm debating telling them about my asexuality, though I'm sure they already know.

As a gift to me for my 37th birthday (which happens in August.) my parents are flying me home to Saskatchewan, this month. I'll be there for a whopping five days.

When we have a quiet bit of time, when we are sure not to be interrupted, I'm going to tell them. I know I don't have to tell you, I'm scared witless about it.

The reason I feel I need to tell them, is to give them a measure of comfort. Hopefully they will feel the same comfort I do, but I can't know for sure.

As I understand it now, the story of my life is very different from the one I thought I was living. I blamed myself for things that were outside of my control. My parents struggled to raise me without knowing what they were doing wrong. I'm sure at some level they've blamed themselves.

After my bout with Kawasaki's Disease at age twelve, and the orchitis that came with it, I went from being a fairly active kid to a more sedentary child. Though I stayed near the top of my class, I fell behind in physical education. I didn't develop the physical stamina of my peers, nor did I develop the muscle mass. My friends quickly left me behind. I became for all outward appearances, a somewhat effeminate nerd.

My parents did not see a big problem with this. They accepted me as a nerd. I guess someone has to be one. My real problems came when I was fourteen. Unknown to my parents, (Because I didn't tell them.) I was developing small breasts like those on a developing girl. Where everyone I knew was developing body hair, I wasn't. While all the guys were talking about jerking off, I had to pretend I knew what they were talking about. I was also starting to carry more fat around my pelvis and hips. Entering the school shower was something I still have nightmares about. This led me to a lot of body issues. It was also the start of my most violent mood swings.

At fourteen, I took a knife to my bedroom and most of my belongings, shredding almost everything I owned. I was also caught bringing a large hunting knife to school. I'm not sure I would have done anything to another person. I was too cowardly. But in my imagination I was going to kill the people who were picking on me, and ostracizing me. I think I was hoping someone would kill me. I hated myself for being different.

My parents took me to a psychologist to "fix" the problem. What I got were a series of lectures on how to manage my anger. The psychologist wasn't interested in WHY I was angry, or WHY I wanted to die, he only wanted me to find a safe outlet for my anger. He never once asked me the right questions, or looked for a physical link to my problems. I was a good little actor at that time, and basically lied to him to end the sessions. I convinced him I wouldn't kill myself, and that part of my life was over.

Unbeknownst to my parents, were my body issues. I started wearing long sleeves, and long pants, even in the summer. The last thing I wanted anyone to see was my lack of hair, or my flabby body. I didn't even have my first ejaculate until the day before my 15th birthday. On my 15th birthday I thought my problems were finally over.

Despite a new found love of my body, I was still having body issues. I wasn't able to keep friends. I still had extremely low self esteem.

I had my first girlfriend when I was 19. I was lucky with her. She was as big a nerd as I was. She was also a virgin, and she was as scared of sex as I was. (or at least I thought so) Helping her clean her room one night, I found her erotic magazines and toys. I'd never so much as looked at that kind of stuff. If I masturbated, it took only a few moments, and it was done. She was clearly more advanced than I was.

We had sex for the first time when I was 21. We had been together for 2 years. Sex was pleasurable for neither of us. No matter what I did, I couldn't release. Try as I might, it was a no go. I was able to maintain erection of my 4 inch member almost an hour (a record for me), but with my short size and thin girth, it did little for her other than to pass the clock. It took a lot of work for me to stay interested and up to the challenge. It was exhausting.

My psyche was very damaged by that experience. After that, she showed no interest in sex with me. I think I was grateful to be let off the hook. I loved her, but more for her company than her sex. when we no longer enjoyed each other's company, it ended.

During my time with my girlfriend, my parents were ecstatic. I think they were worried I was gay. It was a kind of validation for them. They even made presents of condoms to me. They gave them with a kind of wink and a nudge. I think I used two out of a package of twelve. The rest expired.

Subsequent gifts were parsed out to my horny friends.

I didn't have another girlfriend for about four years. I dated a single mother who saw me as stable and safe. I liked her company, and cared for her children. We went out for nine months. She started pressuring me for sex at two months. I pretended to be old fashioned, and wanted to wait. How's that for a reversal? We had sex twice. Neither time was enjoyable for either of us. In the weeks after we had sex I discovered her cheating on me. I left her, but I still miss her children. They were good kids, and they had started calling me "Dad" like small kids are wont to do.

My parents consoled me. They told me there would be other women. I just hadn't found the right one yet. By this time I knew one truth. I was not attracted to women. I was attracted to their company, but not their bodies. I also knew sex was not enjoyable for me. Even masturbation wasn't as enjoyable as it once was.

I haven't sought out sexual companionship since. I've actually lost track of how long it has been for me.

I've gotten fat too. It's getting to the point it's starting to be a problem. Being fat and having body issues keeps me away from doctors unless it is urgent, or an emergency. I literally hadn't had a physical since shortly after my bout with Kawasaki's.

I am the last male in my family line. There is no-one else. When I die, my family name will die with me. There are some distant cousins, three or four times removed, but the family tree that started with my great-grandfather, ends with my generation. I will be the last in a long unbroken line to carry this fine name.

My parents have come to my aid many times. When I lost my job three years ago ( due to flying into a rage at a customer.) I became very suicidal. I tried in earnest for the first time in at least ten years to truly do myself in.

They dropped everything to fly 1000 miles to come to my aid. They got me back on my feet. They helped out financially. They let me know my family still loved me no matter what.

They've seen me fail time and time again. Undone by my own low self esteem and mood swings.

Fortunately, in the last few years, my mood has begun to stabilize. I still have moments, but they are less extreme.

I tried therapy shortly after my last suicide attempt. The topic of my sexuality came up. I've lived my life pretty confused about the whole thing. I began to tell her about my confusion. I stared to say "I'm not attracted to adults per-say..." That was as far as I got. The rest of my time was her lecturing me on the dangers of revealing feelings of pedophilia in therapy. I could end up on a sexual predators watch list. I could be involuntarily committed to an institution. It was a peach that really went on, and scared the crap out of me.

I wasn't going to say, "I want to have sex with children." I was trying to say, "I feel like I am one." Regardless, she put enough fear into me, that I never went back. I was no longer sure if what I said in therapy was safe. That was the end of that exploration.

I've been very lucky these past few years. My moods have ben much more stable than I can remember. Even sexual feeling has diminished further than ever before. My doctor says at this age it is natural for men to have less swings in testosterone levels, and for me that means a low stable amount. Almost no sex drive, but lessened mood swings too.

My problem before was that my testicles would go through on-again, off again production. Never enough, or for long enough to engage a "normal" sex drive, but enough for my body to gain dependency, before going through withdrawal. I'm at a low enough production level now, that the mood swings have significantly lessened.

Who knows what my parents thought of me through all of this. Am I a disappointment? Do they feel they failed? Am I that unpredictable burden in the family with no explanation?

When I found out this April that I was Hypogonadal was the first time I could look back at my life and see where my low and unpredictable testosterone had led me.

Suddenly it all made sense. I have long ago given up on having children. So learning that I don't have what it takes was no big loss or major discovery to me. Testosterone could provide me with a sex drive, but it can't give me the stuff for making babies. That was gone when I was twelve. It doesn't change anything for me.

I felt peace for the first time in my life. Suddenly, the things at the core of my problems had a reason. For the first time, I made sense to myself. I'm just so grateful to know there is a reason. I can finally DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
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  1. Cainanite's Avatar
    My problems have been like a growing snowball tumbling down the side of a hill. It keeps picking up more and more the further it goes. Knowing I have Hypogonadism doesn't solve my issues. It lets me see how to control them. Knowing what triggered the avalanche, helps me stop the next one.

    I think my parents deserve to know. I feel I owe it to them. I became what I am, not because of something they did, or didn't do, but because of a simple childhood illness. That's what triggered the avalanche of what I would become.

    I have some fears about telling my parents.

    I don't want to become sexually "normal". I truly don't want a sex drive like other people. I'm pretty happy where I am. I don't know if they'll accept that.

    My biggest fear...

    What if they knew?

    I really don't think they knew. My pediatrician was pretty incompetent. I don't think he told them what to look for. But what if he did?

    Is it possible they knew, and chose not to tell me? Perhaps they thought they were doing the right thing for me. I was always a kind of non-traditional kid. I liked to play with girls. I wasn't into fighting and roughhousing like other boys. I was never into sports. Maybe, they thought it was for the best. I sincerely doubt it, but the fear is there.

    If I had known when I was twelve, all the problems sex and trying to fit in would cause me, I'm sure I would have chosen to be castrated and be done with it. I wouldn't have wanted the mood swings or the low self esteem for poor sexual performance. I know I wouldn't have wanted a lifetime of injections in a stupid pursuit to be like every one else.

    That is a truth it has taken me almost twenty-five years to admit.

    I'm pretty sure I'll leave off the bit about desiring castration to my parents. I just hope they'll accept my choice to remain non-sexual.

    I leave in two days.
  2. kkks's Avatar
    Good luck. Hope everything turns out fine.
  3. Riverwind's Avatar
    Your parents sound like they love and support you, I think it will be fine.

    I wish you the very best,

    River
  4. SplitDik's Avatar
    I don't think you need to be afraid of rejection or something. But I think you should be aware that they will probably feel immense guilt if they think they failed to detect a medical condition. I'm a parent and would feel really bad about this. You then need to be aware on how much you might blame them (subconsciously maybe) because all that could come out. I think that is the part of this that you need to be careful with in that it could change your relationship with your parents. In other words, I don't think your condition will change their view of you, but I think any dynamic of guilt/blame could.
  5. Cainanite's Avatar
    I'm aware that that could be a problem. The last thing I want is for my parents to feel guilty about something that wasn't their fault. This is kind of why I feel I need a long conversation with them. I have no way to know which way the wind is going to blow, after I tell them.

    Keep in mind, a lot of this was my fault. I resisted going to the doctor unless it was an emergency. I'm the one that hid my body. I'm the one who didn't open up to the psychologist. I'm the one who allowed my parents to believe I was having a normal sex life, when it was anything but normal. I'm sure there were a thousand times when my parents asked, "What is the matter?" "Is there something bothering you?" "You can tell us anything, and we'll understand." I'm the one who didn't open up. I was too embarrassed. All I wanted was for my parents to think I was normal. I was so desperate to please them, I hid everything that was happening to me. They could just as easily blame me.

    I have to accept blame in this.

    I can't blame my parents for things they didn't know.

    I can't know for certain how my parents will react. I can only hope they find a measure of the same peace I have. I can't, not tell them. They have a right to know why I am the way I am. I owe them the information they lacked while I was growing up. Would things have changed if they had know? Almost certainly. But this is not their fault, and I will hate myself if they think so.

    This is the fault of a random virus I contracted, not theirs. The goal of this discussion it to let them know that.

    I'm scared of this discussion, but I must have it. I imagine my parents would prefer to know now, over not knowing at all.
  6. SplitDik's Avatar
    One approach is to maybe to wait for someone to ask about your health, and then answer that you've been having trouble with low testosterone. Then it should be pretty easy to say "I think it started back when I had that virus ..."

    I think that would open the conversation easily and naturally (i.e. as a response to question about your health, and focus on the symptoms then sort of work back from there).

    Just a thought. Hope your back improves!
  7. Cainanite's Avatar
    Okay. I've had some time with my parents, and I think everything is going to be okay. My mom keeps apologizing to me, whenever we have a spare moment alone together. I keep having to remind her that there was nothing she did wrong. The only thing to blame is a random virus.

    My dad seems to be taking it much better. He even pointed out a few things I missed. My dad is pretty analytical and when he was given the information, he was able to process it pretty quickly.

    As to the rest of it, I was a little disappointed to hear that my parents had already accepted there would be no grandchildren from me. Almost 37 and hasn't had a girlfriend for over 10 years. They had already accepted that part. I don't know why I felt a twinge of sadness when they told me that. I guess I was lying to myself for a long time. Clearly my parents weren't.

    The one thing they asked me, was whether I was telling anybody. The only people I was worried might find out the wrong way were my parents, so I guess I'm out on that front. They can tell anyone they please, or not if they choose. I suppose it might be easier for my parents to say I can't have children, than to try and explain why I'm still single. I think they would have accepted if I told them I had a same sex partner. They would have been prepared and accepting. Their concern was more that I do not have a life partner, than anything. For my parents, being in a relationship is extremely important. They, and everyone they know defines themselves as half of a whole. My not being in a relationship was embarrassing and hard to explain. This gives them an out if they choose it. I hadn't thought that would be their bigger concern.

    Having been around for my inexplicable mood swings, they understand my feelings about not taking testosterone. I let them know that if I do anything, the most I will take is a low maintenance dose. I'm not looking for a sex drive.

    I kept the conversation about my asexuality, clinical. I let it be part of the symptoms, though that is merely a half truth. I know that sexual identity runs deeper than hormones for me. It is something that is in me... in the fabric of who I am.

    I didn't mention castration to them. If I ever get it done, I'll let them think is was for medical reasons. I'm sure they'd be fine with it, but I've decided I don't need to have that discussion.

    My mother asked me this morning what would have happened if they knew about this when I was twelve. Would things have been different. I turned the tables and asked her, "You remember what I was like when I was twelve. What would have happened if you came to me and told me I had to be on injections of hormones for the rest of my life?"

    She didn't even hesitate. "You wouldn't have taken them." she said. She was right. I wouldn't have taken hormones. I would have fought it. It was a nice validation for me, and I think my mom accepted the situation a little better then. Really the only thing we lost out on, was not knowing the reason. It's come a bit late, but we have it now. Better late than never. We still would have been in much the same place.

    I'm really grateful they took it so well. Even if they are hiding how upset they are, I think it is better that they know. If nothing else, it lets them know they didn't raise me wrong. They did their best, and my faults are no reflection on them... at least not the worst faults.

    Telling them also gives me a little better licence to live my life they way I want. I don't have to lie around them and pretend to be macho when I'm not. I don't have to pretend I've got a libido when I don't. I was lying to myself about a lot of things, but that meant I was also lying to them. I'm glad that's over on both fronts.
  8. SplitDik's Avatar
    Congrats on getting through it. I think it is playing out how it should. Keep an eye on your parents though, especially your mom. I'm sure the guilt runs pretty deep, especially if she keeps bringing it up now, and even if she sounds like she accepted her role she never really will. But it must feel good to be able to talk about it. And you're lucky to have both parents around, and they seem like nice people, so really about as good as you can get all around. Hope your back is better too.
  9. loveableleopardy's Avatar
    Your life story seems highly traumatic, and quite different to any I have heard before. Well, a lot of us have issues with the onset of puberty, but yours were obviously greater than most - the few posts that I've read from you on the EA appear to show you in a pretty good place with yourself just now, which is lovely to see.

    I think that something that has been emphasised to me by my brief time on the EA, is that the more traumatic or troubling the upbringing, often a highly deep and interesting person/adult is the result. Now it could also be to do with a difference in IQ that results in myself for example not being able to match (what I believe to be) your very high quality posts on here, but also the aforementioned great difficulty experienced throughout your existence.

    Which I 100% believe to be reality

    I think it is sensible and ethical (lol) for you not to tell your parents about your interest in castration, as they don't need to know, and too much truth just generally hurts people. I have been gun-ho about truth with my (also very loving) parents in the past, but don't intend on being so anymore. Certainly not as far as any chemical castration is concerned.

    I will send you a link to a great article that was posted on here a while back - it was about the negativity associated with puberty/sex drive. I think you will find it interesting if you haven't seen it.

    "How's that for a reversal?" LOL

    And you should have played cricket considering your love on long pants

    You are obviously capable of having women love you - as explained on 2 different occasions. I hope that you do find a life partner, though I don't know whether this will happen or not. If you are highly physically unattractive then it is of course a very difficult situation, because women are vane, not just men. I must make comment on your signature which says that you are a valid person. Most definitely you are, but in my basic analysis of my own interest in women, I list some as (potentially) worthwhile and some as not at all - based solely on their physical attributes (then take other factors into consideration). I really do believe that beauty is only skin deep to a certain degree with me; a person that is particularly unattractive is just no chance to win my heart over (at least as far as my current development as a human being is concerned). This is sad, but alas, reality. So whether you are really worthwhile in a womans eyes, I can't say, though I also can't speak for all other people, many of whom could be far less vane than myself.

    Your leaving of the 2nd woman when she cheated on you: I find it interesting to explore whether I could ever have a situation where I loved just being with a woman, and where we had no sex, and I didn't care what she did sexually with anyone else, seeing sex as not love. I believe this is possible. Did it feel like she didn't love you after she cheated on you? For me, I have already been in a situation where I was dating a prostitute, and I really did not care one iota that that was what she was doing on most days. I know that is different to a woman choosing to be with someone else, but that was a positive step for myself I believe, in a possible future of being without a sex life, but of allowing my partner to enjoy hers if she so desires.

    So what I am asking is, would it ever be possible for you to be in such a relationship?

    It is a little difficult for me to fathom these days just how any man can not want to be rid of his sex drive when he isn't able to sexually pleasure a woman (or a man for that matter if he are gay), for I see so much negativity to do with sex, and I actually rather enjoy it!

    But Cainanite - isn't it nice to have wonderful caring parents that we can open up too...when we need too? :-)

    I value your input on these boards.
  10. Cainanite's Avatar
    Thanks Greg,

    That was an excellent post you made. I appreciate your input.

    As to the woman who cheated on me... I don't know if I could be in a relationship that wasn't monogamous. When my last girlfriend cheated on me, it was much more about the lies, and the lack of trust that I hated. It could very well have been she was trying to have a sexual life with her boy on the side, while having the emotional life she needed with me. I honestly don't know how I would have taken it if she had (instead of lying to me) told me her needs straight up. Maybe I would have found a way to be with her , and let her explore her other needs outside the relationship. That might be something I could do.

    At the time, I didn't know what was wrong with me, or why I couldn't retain sexual interest. I felt like a failure, and I was still in the mindset that I should be looking for a traditional relationship. Now that I know, it will certainly color any relationships that come my way in the future.

    I'm not a big fan of drama in a relationship. It seems to me that any woman who is seeking sexual satisfaction outside of a committed relationship is going to bring with her the drama of that. The drama of another man, and whatever his needs are. The drama of what friends and family think of the situation. The drama of unfair comparisons between the stud and me. The possible drama of disease, if one is not careful. Not to mention that I do have sexual needs of my own, even if in a much smaller measure.

    It is super selfish, but what I want is someone more like me, where sex isn't such a big thing. If I were to look for someone at this point in my life, I would want it to be with someone I can be 100% open with. That I could really be myself with another person would be much more important than what gender they are, or what they looked like. My difficulty is that I find myself in an extraordinarily tiny percentage of the population that describe themselves as asexual. Asexuals don't have clubs, or bars, or pride parades. We seem to quietly go about our lives, not showing much on the surface to indicate to anyone else what we are.

    Throw in the added complication of a castration fantasy on my part, and the group of acceptable mates grows even smaller.

    I don't think of myself as ugly, but over the years I have grown a bit fat. I've kind of given in to my body's natural ability to retain fatty tissue, and have stopped fighting it. I'm healthy. I have all my own teeth. I take care of my hygiene. I don't think I'm driving women away, I'm just not sending any signals that I am interested. I've come to enjoy my solitude. As you've said, I've come to a good place in my life. I'm not looking to change that any time soon.

    Thanks again for your post. It was a pleasure to read.
  11. loveableleopardy's Avatar
    Excuse me if this post is a little dull. I'm just feeling a little glum today.

    We all seem to naturally wish to be with a partner that doesn't cheat; physically, emotionally, whatever. Perhaps my example of not caring that my previous girlfriend was having sexual relations with other guys shouldn't count as a) I didn't really love her, and b) it was just her work so it wasn't like it was an emotional thing for her. Still, I like to dream of the possibility that I could not care at all about that sort of stuff. Until I was in a situation where a) I was physically with someone I was in love with, and b) that person slept with others not strictly for monetary purposes; well I can't really tell how I would react. But I certainly hope that I would not be the kind of man who would do his loop and become overly angry and violent (of course many men kill their partners - and their partners - or wish to do so, just because of jealousy sex stuff). I have thought about the jealousy and sex thing in varying circumstances; like if my current girlfriend cheated on me with my brother - not that I don't trust my brother, but well, if she hit on him and that happened, I would truly hope that I wouldn't let it effect my relationship with my brother. Because I can see sex (especially for a man) as just a physical thing. I really believe that I could be quite calm about it, though this also gets back to the 'a' from earlier. If my brother did get with one particular person then I know that I could have nothing to do with him; not a hatred of him thing though, and it wouldn't matter whether I had my sex drive or not. If he was in a relationship with that person then there is no way that I could be around him at all. I wouldn't be able to get past that.

    Yes, society seems to insist on most of us trying for a "traditional relationship." From where I sit it appears that most of our life issues are caused (this might be the most wrong and ridiculous thing I've ever said though!) by the differences; be they physical needs/wants, emotional needs/wants, of women and men. That's it. These differences are so enormous that everyone is forced into being a major game player in order to get sexually what they desire. Pretty much every negative thing that I encounter I can relate back to sex in some way (my parents really hate this attitude actually).

    Another thing is that for me (though perhaps not all guys), I become a better and much more interesting person when others don't allow me physical intimacy/pleasure. This is a part of women motivating us in life, and of them developing us as people. I love who I have become with one woman, and believe that this could never have been able to develop in a traditional relationship.

    Of course an issue with my thinking and desire to remove my sex drive is that it results in others questioning their own genuineness of their relationship (resulting in possible anger and stuff). But just let me live my own life...really.

    Can we have a sexual relationship with someone that we are "100% open with?"

    I have my doubts. The three women that I have had sexual relationships with are ones that I have generally been less open too (I was pretty open with last years girlfriend, even speaking about my desires to remove my sex drive) than the previous women that I encountered, and who did not put out lol.

    "I don't think I'm driving women away, I'm just not sending any signals that I am interested."

    You may not be in fact physically ugly then, as I suggested. As guys we have to be very forceful in our approaching of potential partners; if we are shy then it's likely that we won't be in a relationship at all - which was the case with me for so many years.

    Well, at least not a traditional one

    Life restrictions can be good for us sometimes I suppose. Like today I was going to try to make enquiries with cheating with one of my girlfriends friends (seriously), but my mum is not very happy with me this morning about my continual lazyness around the house and spending too much time on the computer (both of which are entirely true). And I just say "yes, yes" without really listening or caring as I type this post! I really think that I will become a better person and have more motivation for worthwhile stuff without my sex drive.

    Occasionally though I still have motivation for really worthwhile stuff, and I surprise myself :-)

    And I am taking my dog to the vet soon, just for a check up after she ate the wrong food the other day. She seems pretty okay, but my mum is insisting on her being checked - and just sometimes, mothers really do know best

    Today I will maybe see my girlfriend. Will see what happens. Maybe I will do some reading.